Strange lines with ATI Radeon x300

When I have composite enabled (in kde in OpenSuse 11.2) formed lines on the screen (with OpenGL, XRender works but is slow). How can I solve this problem?

same problem on my fire gl 3200 (Thinkpad T43p) with desktopeffects/composite = on

ran sax2 which initially resulted in totally garbled graphics once effects switched on

this machine did effects fine under 11.1/KDE4

have to work out if the changes in graphics config are causing this or if it’s a kernel/driver/KDE problem…

seems like the older TPs are less supported, even ipw firmware wasn’t in the LiveCD :open_mouth:


Same problem here with an ATI Radeon XPress 1100 card.

ok, so the last config I had desktop effects working on my T43p (ATI FireGL3200) was the Jun '09 “11.1 KDE4 Re-spin” with KDE 4.2.3 and radeon 1.2.4 (11.2RC1 has KDE 4.3.1 and radeon 1.3.0)

rain forecast for Monday’s holiday, so I’ll experiment & see which update breaks it; along with Network Manager which was also fine “back then” :slight_smile:


Same here after update to RC1
ATI Radeon all in wonder 9600xt
Opensource drivers

Any clue ?

I also have the same kind of problem, and it was not present in 11.1. My card is old Mobility U1 (r100), radeon driver.

This kind of behavior I get regardless of whether or not I use xorg.conf.

Looking at xorg log, I see XAA is selected by default. If I manually set EXA, I get no visible improvement, my desktop wallpaper becomes black, and no maximized window has any content (just title bar and black desktop). So I disabled EXA, but had to disable compositing in order to have usable desktop.

I also tried installing compiz 0.8.4. Similar issues were present, and although I had no lines like these, the tooltips would appear damaged. Certain shadow defects were also present, though not always. Wobbly worked remarkably faster than kwin though (on 4.3.3).

I tested out a live version of Kubuntu and Mandriva. Kubuntu exibited the same kind of behavior as I had with EXA turned on. Mandriva however was flawless. I noticed that in order to use compositing, I had to install package mesa-demos. Have no idea what it does, and I found no similar one in OpenSuse’s repos. However, I could not enable kwin’s compositing on Mandriva, and had to use Compiz there. It was flawless as I have never seen it work on my kind of hardware - fast wobbly windows, no problems in scrolling, no video slowdowns.

Alas, trying to do the same with OpenSuse 11.2 did not yield the same result…

Same here, strange lines with a Radeon Mobility X600 SE. Moreover, the system tends to crash quite often when effects are on. And it’s 11.2 Final !

Great :\ I’m beginning to wonder if its going to be a step backwards installing openSUSE 11.2 in place of 11.0 on my 3 yr old ThinkPad Z60m (which uses X300 chipset). At least I have the fglrx driver for the moment. Not looking forward to losing 3D support…

I’m somewhat a new Linux user and have been trying a whole bunch of distros trying to get compiz/kwin to work on my Radeon X300 SE. In Ubuntu Jaunty, I had been at least been able to enable graphic effects with similar problems, only worse, but in Karmic I’m not even able to enable it because no drivers are found.

So fglrx works with the X300 in 11.2? I couldn’t help but notice that 11.2 uses a similar xserver version to Karmic…

I know that downgrading Xorg is a solution, but it’s challenging to do, and it’s only worked for me on Jaunty. The last time I tried openSUSE (11.1), the keyboard simply did not work on reboot, although that’s probably my own fault somewhere… If it at least allows compositing, I’ll definitely give openSUSE another shot.

btw @ hermesrules, are you using Mandriva 2010?

So fglrx works with the X300 in 11.2? I couldn’t help but notice that 11.2 uses a similar xserver version to Karmic…

Sadly not. The new Xorg version, means that this generation of ATI cards are left with only the open source ati or radeon drivers. I’m in the same boat (when/if I install openSUSE 11.2). The AMD/ATI website specifically mentions they have only legacy driver available, and this will not work with openSUSE 11.2.

No, I’ve been using OpenSuse since 10.1 (currently on 11.2). I only tried the latest Mandriva LiveCD, so my impressions of Mandriva come from that.

A couple of days ago I did the same with the Fedora 12 KDE LiveCD. No graphics problems there at all. Not only that, but it also was the FASTEST kwin I have ever experienced with my kind of hardware. Alas, I had not had the time (and skill) to investigate what the possible reason might be, so the only thing I suspected was that Fedora uses a newer version of xorg. However, I am not sure of that, still need some free time to check it out.

Someone had posted a similar topic in the Applications section of the forums, so it seems to me that there might be some kind of fault with the open source radeon driver in 11.2’s xorg.

My view is it is just a matter of time before both the open source driver and the ATI driver are up dated … unfortunately in the mean time, new users (with ATI hardware) who are excited about openSUSE-11.2 will be left with a bad impression.

In my case, if I have a functioning PC that I really need working 100%, I will NOT update the Operating System (OS) in the first few weeks of a GM release for any Operating System / Linux distribution. Instead I will wait at least a month before I update.

For example, my Dell Studio 1537 laptop (P8400 w/4GB RAM and ATI Radeon 3450HD) is running openSUSE-11.1 quite well. I have some important office meetings in Nov and December where I need that laptop functioning, so as to give (project) presentations. While 11.2 promises to offer improved Package Management, snappier functionality, newer libraries, KDE-4.3.1 (superior to KDE-4.1.3 in 11.1 and superior to KDE-4.0.4 in 11.0), superior printer/scanner auto configuration, and improved wireless, I still do not see the rush to update.

I participated in the openSUSE-11.2 milestone release testing process by installing 11.2 on my sandbox PC and testing those applications and functionalities that were important to me. I participated in the milestone development testing process by running 11.2 liveCD on all my PCs. Hence I believe I’ve made a reasonable contribution, and should not feel compelled to install 11.2 on every PC in our apartment immediately after 11.2 release. I installed 11.2 on 3 PCs with nVidia graphics. Its a big improvement without question there for my functionality on those PCs. I installed 11.2 on my wife’s PC with ATI RV280 graphics and the open source driver works ok with special desktop effects disabled. Given my wife does not use special desktop effects, thats not a loss.

I think those who want a free open source Operating System with free open source software, should take the time to do a small amount of testing with a liveCD during the milestone phase, or if that is not possible, at least before installing, run from the liveCD for a while.

If one has a relatively new laptop with 4GB or more RAM (this does not apply to you) then its actually possible to boot to the live CD, exit to run level 3, install kernel-source, kernel-syms, linux headers, appropriate gcc,make applications, and then build the proprietary ATI driver and test it withOUT having to install 11.2. I did that during the early 11.2. milestone release phase. I noted then for my laptop that the open source driver worked, and the proprietary ATI driver did not. I have not tried this with the latest ATI driver.

But if I were you, and if your ThinkPad Z60m (with X300) is used for office related aspects (or needed function immediately to support family during an upcoming vacation) then I would stick with what is known to “work” which for you is 11.0. Wait a month or two for the updated drivers to come out, and install 11.2 then.

look like

Thanks. … I see that bug report was written BEFORE the 11.2 GM release.

For a number of reasons that I suppose we could speculate upon, such bugs are not mentioned in the release note. I would rather not speculate why they are not mentioned, but instead ask oursleves, what can we do as a community to prepare ourselves for these bugs, so that in the 1st day of the GM release, we can point to a list WE have prepared and note, “your problem is this bug” or "if you have X-hardware then WARNING WILL ROBINSON !!.. an installation may cause you THIS problem: details … " …

It makes me think that we need a knowledgeable openSUSE community user (possibly more than one - with experts in each area) to go through the openBUGS (probably only the major ones of severity "MAJOR / HIGH " or higher ) and then list them with a very brief description an d indication as to what hardware, what major applications are impacted. We could then group them all , and list them as a stickie for new users to see, in helping to decide if they wish to proceed with an install given the unfixed milestone/release-candidate bug status.

Thats my own private view. Not an official view. I think many may not like that view of mine, as it could discourage some installs.

But I think openness is a good thing, and it could also help to bring up other aspects, if we made this easier with a short list of irritating hiccups, that do not make the release note.

This may be a good idea, but is a huge amount of work I doubt somebody is able and willing to do in his free time.

Also, this would result in a huge list of defects and will make people run over to the ubuntu fanboys without even trying it.
I don’t really know what can be done here… Maybe just report those bugs early enough to get em fixed :wink:

All i know is that i have this problem and it’s extremely annoying since i have to disable the desktop effects, not only because of these lines that appears on screen but also because the desktop slows down to a crawl…

I installed and played around with the new Fedora KDE release and there i have no problems at all, the desktop effects are running smooth and fast and no objects appear on screen.

I guess the difference is that Fedora uses ati/radeon driver while openSUSE uses radeonhd. However the difference is huge between them.

Can you be MORE specific as to EXACTLY what Fedora is using? What Fedora version? What Kernel in this Fedora version? What version of the ati/radeon driver? What version of KDE ? and EXACTLY what graphic hardware this is been seen on (X300 ? ) This information may help form a better picture as to the scope of the problem on openSUSE.

Many users have commented that openSUSE-11.1 works fine with no problems. And since most of us are familiar with 11.1, we know what that means in terms of kernel version, driver version, etc … But most of us do not know exactly what is meant by the “new ‘Fedora’ release” .

If dont’ want to turn off desktop effects and/or do without 3D, perhaps you’ld be better off moving to 11.1, and upgrading the KDE4 version from repo after.

Probably it’ll be a while before the FOSS driver for the newly ***
legacied*** ATI cards supports them as well as the older Catalyst driver versions did.

If ATI are branding as legacy 3 yr old hardware, it’s going to hurt them. Mobile chipsets are always a year behind say, and who wants to buy a PC which will have unsupported components in just 2 years time?

Fedora 12 I’m sure. Have seen good comments on it’s installability on wide range of hardware.

They may benefit from using fresher KDE version (4.3.2) than our stock KDE 4.3.1 plus backports, with 4.3.3 installable via repo, even before OS-11.2 was officially released, I would hope a jumbo KDE update with openSUSE branding is in the works. Fedora don’t ship with a proprietary Radeon driver, and they use 2.6.31 kernel.

They must be using a specific library/driver of xorg providing open source graphics. I don’t know the details, but I suspect of one could figure it out, then one could apply the same or something similar to openSUSE.