openSUSE:What's in a name?

I deny this.

No. That law is the same all over the EU. And the Amrerican + Canadian are not different in this. FWIW, like Henk I am dutch.

You can deny all what you want, I try to explain you how it works in Spanish/Castilian and you reject all I say :smiley::smiley: If you ignore how it works in other languages, of course you are extending how it works in English (where there is no ortographical rules).

Wow, is not an English thing, is a Anglo-Saxon thing, congratulations!

Hmmm, probably got something to do with this ?

At least there is a German law related to this.

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I don’t say openSUSE is a illegal trademark. Is right (or it is, when no judge say against that :grinning:)

Spanish (Castilian, Galician and others) language has rules about writing. Ortographical correctors (with or without LLM) in Spanish change the first letter on a paragraph as capital. That’s all.

No matters. My country (Galicia) has its name misspelled (correct is Galiza) for political reasons when Galician Estatuto de Autónomía was approved :joy:

In my smartphone I only see Germany cookies advise.

Rules about writing are one thing but here a small example from the real world what can happen to you if you ā€œmiss-spellā€ a famouse trademark.

teakers.net is the biggest dutch tech site, laughing my socks of:

Well, auto-correction does not care about trademarks … :grinning:

@hui
Thanks for this page (i have so many to learn !)

The comment was unfortunately cut out from the other thread where it belongs. Good you still found it.

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It really isn’t a question of language. It’s a question of cultural traditions. And a new business creates its own traditions on how to use its name.

Yes, there is a competing tradition, that the first word in sentence should begin with an upper-case letter. That’s why you will sometimes see ā€œOpenSUSEā€ at the start of a sentence.

I just take it all in stride, and don’t get too concerned about it.

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And the relation is…?

Waouh !!!

Je ne m’attendais pas Ć  une guerre de tranchĆ©e sur un sujet aussi anodin.

J’essayais simplement de dire que :

  • en France, les noms propres commencent par une majuscule.

  • en Allemagne, tous les noms commencent par une majuscule.

Pour moi, mettre une majuscule est un rƩflexe.

MĆŖme si je vois une bonne humeur dans vos posts, je m’étonne de la vague que j’ai produite.

J’utiliserai dĆ©sormais Tumbleweed (qui a une majuscule !)

In English (translated by DeepL, like all my previous posts):

Wow!!!

I didn’t expect such a heated debate over such a trivial topic.

I was simply trying to say that:

  • In France, proper nouns start with a capital letter.

  • In Germany, all nouns start with a capital letter.

For me, capitalizing is second nature.

Even though I can tell you’re all in good spirits in your posts, I’m surprised by the stir I’ve caused.

From now on, I’ll use Tumbleweed (which starts with a capital letter!). :sweat_smile:

Some languages has old institutions working in this entire thing. Rules.

Of course, nobody will go to your home to take you to prison for misspelling… Or for write ipod or eBay, Ipod, Ebay or even IPOD or EBAY.

But in this thread we see some ā€œwarningsā€, ā€œadvisesā€ or whatever you call it, because ā€œfor de Lord Monesvol, how dare you write ā€˜OpenSUSEā€™ā€.

I only said that is a bad name for that and others reasons (can we talk about SUSE is an open source firm, what is the meaning of open SUSE then? So we are part of SUSE?). I always use openSUSE but even then I only received nonsense stuff ignoring Spanish and others particulars. ā€œOh, in Canada is what USA saysā€.

Keep calm. openSUSE project is good even if tomorrow changes the name (and there is a lot o reasons to do it, we had talk a lot about that in the past).

Change the name?

Hmm, back then, I’d installed SUSE!

Then SUSE was taken over by (?) and at that point, I was elsewhere.

SUSE was already open-source, and now openSUSE still is.

SUSE was known for its robustness but also for its complexity (too much for me, and back then there wasn’t the brilliant forum that this one is).

I’ve never understood the need to change the name.

For the record, I used to work at CALBERSON: a name that was extremely well-known and a real sales driver.

I never understood why it was changed to GEODIS.

Is it better today with a new name?

I don’t think so: openSUSE is now well-known and recognised; with a new name, we’ll have to start all over again to make ourselves known and recognised.

I don’t think I have ever made a fuss about that.

Today, I did see someone use ā€œSuSE Tumbleweedā€, and perhaps that needs correcting. But ā€œcorrectingā€ the capitalization seems much ado about nothing.

I’ll note that the system uses a directory ā€œ/boot/efi/EFI/opensuseā€. It does not name it ā€œ/boot/efi/EFI/openSUSEā€. I just take it all as a matter of course, and don’t get upset about it.

Karl, I get your point and to be fair, you are right, and yes, this was already brought up in 2005, but it did happen. I just found out that even the style guides of some newspapers over here differ, not about middle of sentence ( use Trademark writing as is ), but they do about capitalization of 1st char of a sentence. When the first oSC had the talk + discussion about the name change, I argued that if we change the name, then please to something that doesn’t bring in a new version of this issue.

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My first work with Linux was with SLS, then Slackware. (geez, so long ago!).

My first exposure to SUSE was ā€œS.u.S.E Linux 4.2ā€ (1996?). It was later changed to ā€œSuSEā€. I described installing ā€˜SuSE Linux 6.1’ in a book. Then later name was changed to ā€œSUSEā€.

Anyone remember when it was ā€œS.u.S.Eā€?
I guess that’s easier than writing ā€œGesellschaft für Software - und Systementwicklungā€ :+1:

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For S.u.S.E, you have this : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_S.A.

I’m on Linux since 2001 : my first Linux was Mandrake 8.1. Bad, only kernel panic after install. Was better with 8.2

I have used SuSe in the year 2005 (?) but it was to heavy for me