Nobody likes being renamed, and I like OpenSUSE! 
I repeat: it is openSUSE!
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Noted with thanks for your explanations
The French capitalise surnames, and I respect that.
So, as far as Iâm concerned, it will remain OpenSUSE.
Please, this isnât a war to be won 
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Here is a quite nice explanation.
There are different ones but this one is actual and should provide you with some more deeper explanations.
@Zlinux1 itâs a brand not a surname⊠
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openSUSE is not a surname, it is a registered Trade Mark âą. That includes the spelling and capitalization. No need for war or whatever nationality. Law and nothing else. So openSUSE. Full stop.
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Novell did a lot of good things, but this name is one of the worst in all FOSS world.
Any facts or background for this opinion (which belongs into open chat btw and not in this technical threadâŠ)?
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This thread for example. Some said: itâs a trademark, but a trademark is a surname in any language.
Other: in many languages, first word of a paragraph uses capitalization in the first word.
Even more: Iâd said that openSUSE is not Open SUSE.
So the name:
- Is misspelled in a lot of situations.
- It means something else entirely.
Yes, name is one of the worst name in all FOSS.
I take an example.
Official name of the company: Bol.com B.V.
You really think this can be seen/used as a surname/family name in all languages?
BTW, it is not the âlanguageâ that decides this, it is local law that decides if there is something like a family name and all the rules about it, including what characters and spelling may and/or should be used.
Yes, itâs a fact.
Maybe in English, but in most of countries common law canât change languages, and in trademarks and similar law define what subset of language can be used that way (i. e. you canât trademark common words).
Curiously, your sample is spelled correctly (initial capital letter)
I just called my lawyer friend, and heâs very clear: Trade Marks are not surnames. They should be used exactly as registered, and that can be enforced by the Trade Mark owner. Examples from history where this has been done: LEGOÂź ( Not Lego ), Coca-Cola ( Not Coca Cola, Cocacola ), Pepsi ( Not PEPSI ). He added: if ever openSUSE gets sued as OpenSUSE, the case would not even reach court.
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That is utter nonsense. Surenames CAN be used as trademark. But trademarks are not automatically surenames. You may read up on the definition of surename.
It is only âcorrectlyâ in your opinion which is not based on facts. You should definitely have a basic look at basic trademark rules and laws.
How about eBAY as example? iPad and iPhone by Apple? They do not spell their trademark right according your opinionâŠ
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Please prove that. Where did you find Mr . (or Mrs.) Bol.com B.V.
What is curious about that. That is how the name is registered by the company.
Ever heard of eBay and easyjet?
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NVIDIA ?
This was the most difficult part from your answers to understand for me.Partly because the last part only confirms what I said.
I do not know why you refer to English law. I referred to all local law in all states or jurisdictions in general.
And about countries laws that change languages, there are so may examples of states changing the meaning of words. or even forbidding the use of them (or the use of whole languages), but that really goes into politics and that is (a am glad) not allowed in these forums.
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Stop thinking English is the only language.
Stop thinking lawers can have a privileged opinion on language. In my experience, lawers make money that way
Stop thinking if I say openSUSE is a bad name, openSUSE is the only bad name. Even if it was success. I donât know if in the eBay forums there is people scolding users that start a line writing: EBay is a greatâŠ! But of course, any name is a bad name if it is bad writing in languages as Spanish/Castilian and others.
You can think: capital letters is a minor question. In fact, I use always in the âtrademark wayâ. But this is one issue, no the only issue. Even the owner of the trademark is not very happy with it and we had a long long thread about change that name.
Of course: we can write in Spanish/Castilian.
OpenSUSE es un nombre que correctamente escrito en castellano, gallego y otros idiomas, deberĂa tener las letras âopenâ en minĂșscula y las letras âSUSEâ en mayĂșscula. Pero en esos idiomas, al comenzar el pĂĄrrafo la palabra debe comenzar por minĂșscula. Por si fuera poco, los nombres han de ser propios (no pueden registrarse nombres comunes).
Por supuesto, uno puede anteponer la norma ortogrĂĄfica, pero entonces quedarĂa la duda de si en textos legales deberĂa respetarse la forma registrada o la ortogrĂĄfica.
Lo curioso es que en estos idiomas no suele abusarse de los nombres de marcas o organizaciones, por varias razones:
- Una marca o nombre de organización puede cambiar con el tiempo. Puede ser declarada invålida años después de su primer uso porque la validez la determina un juez, no un foro.
- Es posible que se quieran delimitar un åmbito en la formulación legal de turno, en particular cuando nombres de organizaciones y marcas puedan ser similares o iguales. Pensemos en Google durante años.
AsĂ que en el texto te refieres a âla marcaâ, âla empresaâ, etc. En otro lado defines dichas marcas, nombres de empresas, etc.
In English:
openSUSE is a name that, when correctly spelled in Spanish, Galician, and other languages, should have the letters âopenâ in lowercase and âSUSEâ in uppercase. However, in those languages, the first word of a paragraph must begin with a lowercase letter. To make matters worse, the names must be proper names (common names cannot be registered).
Of course, one could prioritize the spelling rule, but then the question arises as to whether legal texts should respect the registered or the spelling.
The curious thing is that in these languages, brand or organization names are not usually overused, for several reasons:
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A brand or organization name can change over time. It can be declared invalid years after its first use because validity is determined by a judge, not a forum (of a single lawer).
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It is possible to define a specific scope in the legal wording, particularly when organization and brand names could be similar or identical. Consider Google over the years.
So in the text you refer to âthe brandâ, âthe companyâ, etc. Elsewhere you define those brands, company names, etc.
Easy, donât is?
Why do you think I am thinking "English is the only language?
I am not. English is not even my mother language.
I assume that because your starting sentence is based on a false assumptiom. I can skip the rest of your betoog.
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Yes. You are extending a English thing as a universal thing.
I know it. That only makes it rare, but still.
Or maybe you can read my opinion and discuss about what other speakers think instead what English speaker think. There is no obligation, of course