OpenSUSE Leap 16 not ready yet?

JFYI: SUSE Linux 16 RC & Beta: A First Look at the Future of Enterprise Linux. I am not sure whether this is still the current status.

Sorry, but I really don’t get the excitement. Isn’t it quite clear that the development path is Factory > Tumbleweed > Leap > SUSE Linux Enterprise?

It’s not. It is Factory > Tumbleweed > SUSE Linux Enterprise > Leap

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Sorry, but I really don’t get the excitement. Isn’t it quite clear that the development path is Factory > Tumbleweed > Leap > SUSE Linux Enterprise?

It was not, but probably will be.

That’s wild :scream: Thanks for pointing that out and correcting me.

No word about the desktop on that page. To me it’s clear that the desktop has no future at Suse. I understand it. Probably there are not enough customers for a Linux desktop. But it will force me to move on to another distro.

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If you are SUSE customer. Sure this is the right forum? :wink:
And have you read the last chapter of the link @hui has provided. What makes you actually think desktop would be abandoned?

Don’t rush. You can always ask Sales:

:wink:

Lack of the word ā€œdesktopā€ on the page you mention? It is all about server technologies.

Of course, SUSE has more than one page about their product offerings.

For example: Linux Desktop for Enterprise With Enhanced Security | SUSE

Never mind the fact that openSUSE is not SUSE, but a project that SUSE sponsors - and openSUSE can certainly continue to provide a desktop (and I’ve heard nothing to suggest otherwise).

Where do you see anything about SLED 16 there?

If you look at the Product Support Lifecycle | SUSE, you will not find SLED 16. Of course, it is possible that it will appear later, but SLES 16 and SLES4SAP 16 and SLE HA 16 are there.

This is as official as you can get without signing NDA.

@hendersj Desktop is gone from SLE 16.0… run SLED 15 SPX with LTSS…

Interesting, that was news to me.

Still doesn’t seem to indicate that there’s any EOL plan for SLED from what I see. In any event, that’s SLE, not openSUSE.

According to the above page there is no LTSS for SLED.

@arvidjaar SLES with the Desktop Extension…

Edit: Ref: https://documentation.suse.com/sles/15-SP7/html/SLES-all/article-modules.html and https://documentation.suse.com/sles/15-SP7/html/SLES-all/article-modules.html#art-modules-desktop-applications

I was optimistic about Leap 16.0, but I waited for the release. Then it was a bit of a shock to find so little documentation. But then I’m an old DEC hand, so my expectations were set by the orange wall!

Many things seem to have changed, and it’s not obvious - to a noob anyway - where to find out how they work. Clearly this forum is a big help, though - thanks to everyone offering information and advice.

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Interesting and valid topic. I’m in the position that I can’t really upgrade to Leap 16, due to that fact that X11 is being dropped for Wayland, besides some of the other things.
I am on 15.6 and using Wayland but because I’m using a 2015 MacBook Pro with an older Radeon card , I need to be very careful and be sure that I put in fixes and override to have a stable workable system, so I need X11 option to boot into if I need to.
To make it work with Wayland I need to have radeon.dpm=0 kernel arg and then I need to use --disable-gpu on any desktop apps that make use of chrome, which are now bunch.

With X11 all is good of course, sure I can distro hop, but I really don’t have the time anymore as I need a working laptop for my work, being a freelancer.

X11 isn’t dropped. it’s working here.

I hope it’s OK to make a very general point here. I have a lot of experience with VMS and less with Windows (mainly as a user), but little with Linux, so please be patient.

It seems to me that oakld is right to say that a release should be as ready and complete as possible when announced. Perhaps it would be helpful if every new release had at least one way of installing that would give noobs a simple, easy, fairly foolproof system that would be certain to work and from which they could evolve incrementally. I was caught twice, installing Leap 16.0, when it booted and I had no GUI because I had omitted to choose the option to select a desktop environment - so I got none. Wouldn’t it make sense to have some sensible default such as KDE?

I had got used to Yast and quite liked it. Leap 16.0 doesn’t have it (AFAIK) but doesn’t tell you what else to use. If the docs or release notes said, that would be OK, but they don’t. Another basic principle I would expect is, for a major release, to have at least basic docs ready to guide users.

I don’t know if it’s possible to edit a post here, but I can’t see how so this is an addendum. What I have been trying to say is that there is some regression between 15.6 and 16.0. To take a very simple example, the installation procedure in 15.6 explicitly asks you to choose a desktop environment (or none). But 16.0 hides that choice away in a side panel, as if it were unimportant. To my mind, that’s regression. In 15.6 you can do all kinds of things with Yast, but not with 16.0. More regression.
Of course, I speak from the point of view of a naive inexperienced user. But we want to encourage those/me, don’t we?

Actually, the release notes do mention Cockpit as the YaST replacement (albeit under a totally nondescript headline ā€œChanges affecting all architecturesā€):

They don’t mention Myrlyn as the replacement for the YaST software selection at all, tough.