That could cut either way. 1/3 of traffic accidents occur within a mile of Gnome. 
Anyway… What do all you gnomers think about gnome 3, and specifically the gnome shell? Has anyone actually tried it yet? I haven’t, but I keep reading about it. Sounds… polarising, and possibly somewhat rigid… but interesting.
I saw a video on it. It looks interesting, and can be promising once you get used to it I think.
Just like going from KDE 3 to KDE 4, it took a while for people to warm up to it (and work out the bugs 
), I think it is going to take a while for Gnome Shell to be accepted/adopted.
> Boot time is just under a minute which isn’t sensational but liveable
> with.
Just curious, does suspend work? How long does it take to recover?
> Yet I still prefer the traditional desktop on them, probably because of
> its familiarity, and because I sometimes do the sort of things on them
> which I shouldn’t really use them for, like writing, simply to be in the
> fresh air 
That was my point about Plasma: it’s fairly
> straightforward to use Folderview to knock up a simple UI that doesn’t
> rely on chunky panels and menu slabs, and Activities rather than the
> traditional workspaces/virtual desktops to quickly switch between custom
> sets of plasmoids.
Nice application of the technology.
> Too simple that it just doesn’t work for me 
Oh it works, you just have to spend most your time in the shell
finding and setting all the little tweaky bits they hid from you.
Hi. I am becoming more and more agnostic about this subject. I have been using KDE since I came to (then) SuSE and always preferred it over gnome, so my desktop runs it until now. But for my netbook I chose Gnome and I have being loving it since then. (When I feel wild I log in with windowmaker >:) ).
Both Gnome and KDE are great, both have fantastic apps and both are beautiful, that is one of the reasons why I love linux.
Haven’t tried Gnome for a couple of years, so I took the opportunity with the 11.2 final release and did a clean install and chose Gnome as the desktop environment.
First impressions is that it looks more clean and feels faster, and the default SUSE theme looks real nice. But I guess it will take a while to get used to NOT having all those menus á la KDE.
I guess time will show if Gnome and I will become best friends or not.
Well, I am very fond of KDE.
The KDE experience has been done very well in openSUSE and therefore openSUSE will always be a showcase for KDE.
Linux is about freedom of choice, so if you are one of the people that do like gnome its cool!
But for me, I love KDE.
henkasdf
I found KDE in 11.2 RC2 pretty unstable. Sure, could’ve been me experimenting to much, but after a while I always got that “KWin seems unstable, crashed to often yadayada” message when I logged in
You mean Windows?And I guess emacss and Imacs.DOWN WITH WINDOWS!!!I hate Windows>:(>:(grrrrrrrr.
Tried KDE for a day and it was beautiful but just not for me:( so I switched back to my beloved ugly Gnome 
I like the opensuse gnome DE better than the kde. The one thing I do not like about the gnome implementation is the horrible slab menu by default.
It is pointless to have to open multiple “windows” of the menu to see other apps. talk about a waste of desktop real estate.
I have seen much better implementations of the slab menu utilizing a single window.
Other than that, terrific gnome implementation in opensuse.
Big Bear
I have used KDE up to 3.5.
I had no major problems with it, except a couple of apps did not work (Armorok).
I switched to Gnome when I installed OS 11.0 (I think) just to try it out and found that it worked well enough for my purposes to stay with it.
I did not need - did not use - all the applications that came with KDE.
So, why waste the bits?
(I am having a problem with the Banshee media app since loading OS 11.2, but working that through the bug tracking site at Novell.)
Mi dos centavos.
Fellow ex-KDE3 Gnome user here. Amarok was nice.
Apropos banshee problems, under Gnome, try Exaile, it’s a lookalike for classic Amarok. It’s in the 11.1 repos, I’m not onto 11.2 yet so can’t confirm if it’s still included. It’s easy to build from a tarball.
The follow ups didn’t comment, but I presume this post was meant ironically. GNOME-ites K3B is actually a native KDE app!
Both GNOME & KDE can run (thanks to freedesktop.org initiative) applications built of each other, as can other environments. So probably noone is truly running Pure-KDE and Pure-GNOME, we all mix & match applications.
Amorok should run fine under GNOME to.
Actually KDE4 runs surprisingly well in 512MiB RAM even with 450 Mhz processor, with 256MiB RAM 1.8 GHz you need to swap on solid state drive. With 11.2 and 4 GiB RAM, 7/8th’s of RAM is cached stuff.
Should the GNOME 3.0 transition prove painful, rest assured KDE4 has now matured and become a very pleasurable environment. I suppose as GNOME2 is feature light compared to KDE3, a follow on will be easier proposition than KDE4.
I’ve tried’em all (well almost). Xfce, Gnome KDE and loads of different window manager (eg Blackbox, windowmaker, Matchbox,Kwin (of course), IceWM (Fast!!)).
It’s not hard to fall in love wiith some of the features/look/feel/software in, I would say, all thoose. When KDE 4 came I really was in love.
Still I am using Gnome because of one simple reason: Zero, zip, nada, null, none! …desktop crash ever have I experienced in Gnome.
KDE applets tends to kill the enviroment every now and then (hope they will fix the stability issue).
I will stick to Gnome for quite a while now I think although I test a lot of distros and enviroment all the time.
Installing 11.2 with KDE wasn’t even an option for me, but maybe it’s superb - I haven’t tried it and I wont.
Peace!
Though before KDE4, I’d never had KDE crash, it was always rock solid (Caldera Open Linux, SuSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, Debian…). Gnome under Redhat6 would lose your work regularly, when it fell over, but the disfavoured KDE-1 ran flawlessly solid; Ubuntu-7.10 + GNOME also wasn’t as solid as openSUSE-10.3 + KDE (about 8 weeks after release) with Kubuntu-7.10 failing to install…
I tried to get on with GNOME using Ubuntu for a bit, but just find I was wasting too much time adjusting windows (no middle click maximise vertically), or working round missing options on right click, as well as debugging their mess of changes, based on a crufty Debian. I just don’t understand how you GNOME-ites get on without what to me, are ESSENTIAL features.
Solidity changes with time, KDE4 lost a lot of users because whilst every previous move had been fairly pain free, KDE4 did not have designed in coexistance with KDE3, and thus was made the default when still buggy and lacking in expected features. I don’t think there’s anything inherent, that means KDE-4.3 now delivered isn’t a return to earlier bulletproof feeling.
Have been trying icewm on the 240MiB system, browsing with Konqi was fine, but installing Firefox-3.5.5 and going for heavyweight browse quickly got painful. Looking at SuSE 8.2, the recommendation was for at least 64 MiB RAM (I think 128 MiB was more realistic minimum, with 256 MiB preferable for KDE or GNOME plus Mozilla Firefox) but it does make me wonder, about an openSUSE lite for smaller systems.
I use gnome, but qt yast (because the gtk software management plugin is far worse than useless).
Last time I tried kde4 on 11.1 (when 4.3 came out), plasma STILL crashes occasionally. Also kde4 mindlessly runs everything in ~/.config/autostart, even things that are relevant only to gnome.
‘Have been trying icewm on the 240MiB system, browsing with Konqi was fine, but installing Firefox-3.5.5 and going for heavyweight browse quickly got painful.’
I find it very interesting seeing all thoose different experiences and wonder how much (or little) configuration && hardware make that difference.
Hi
I need to start up KDE4 on the netbook or a vm. But one of the things I
couldn’t find was a way to right click on a src rpm and extract.
I use the YaST qt interface as well as other qt based application eg
qgis they all rock along fine 
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