The number of messages in a day is high. I try to walk through all them. I feel annoyed by a certain number of messages in languages other from English that should be in Language Specific Forums. I ask why we have to see them?
“Welcome to the openSUSE Forums. Usually, business in our forums is
conducted in English, however many of our community members speak
other languages. If you prefer to use a language other than English,
please feel free to do so and hopefully someone will get you a reply.”
cite:
http://forums.opensuse.org/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=language&match=all&titlesonly=0
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Already I am not too happy with the new layout.
But fortunately, to equilibrate the not too inviting “door” I enjoy to read whatever is possible. Since I am speaking several languages fluently, I ask: why should people, able to speak languages, not be allowed to see these messages? And why should language forums (that are nothing more or less than a agglomeration for people that are bound to one language, to ease their reading) should be “intellectual ghettos”? This appears even more logic if you consider that Linux is the result of an international effort of development in the sign of cultural and linguistic diversity.
If you feel annoyed then it may well be because you do not have access to the information contained in them. This is a pity because you are loosing out a lot - and not only information. But still it cannot IMHO be the motivation for “shaping the world conform to our limitations”.
Some links of interest for you:
Google Translate
Corsi di lingue milano in Italia :: ICMILANO
IEEE Xplore - Sign In (here I cannot give you access to the full text, but reading the abstract you will feel less annoyed. opensSUSE langage policy is actually “en vogue”. Feeling better? 
Well said stakanov.
While I fully support the above posts, I want to ask you how you think anybody could stop people to post in any language they want. Like, how do you think we can stop people from posting Wireless questions in the Programming/Scripting subforum. So the answer is: you have to see them because somebody put them there in that form and because you decided to browse through the threads.
And we hope that when somebody posts a question in Italian, you offer your help by either answering her/him or providing an english translation such that others can try to help.
I am able to understand English French and Spanish, in my deem an English forum have to stitch to English language. If I want to read French then I visit a French forum. No “intellectual ghettos”, simply a little rule of behaviour.
When there is a language forum for that language, some of us mostly point to that forum. Often the OP then says thank you and goes there (easier for her/him) or she/he switches to english. In both cases it was unattention that let them post here in non english. It is the same when we point people to SLES/SLED or to the correct subforum. People just do this and I do not see how we can stop them. Same as we could not stop you from starting this post (if any body would have liked to do so). People click New Thread and start typing. They may anoy you, but how would you stop it? I am sure that complaining here will not help in telling all potentional posters to stick to english and openSUSE and the right subforum only because people then complain “they have to see them”
And for those who have no language forum (like italian): just try in a language you know. Most of us do not care and will help when they can.
BTW, how many did you stumble in say last month?
Usually, business in our forums is
conducted in English, however many of our community members speak
other languages. If you prefer to use a language other than English,
please feel free to do so
Povera stella. Ora non voglio fare il pignolo, tuttavia, queste (di cui sopra) sono le regole del gioco. Quindi mi aspetterò che la “maggioranza” (1-q) farà il suo contributo nella lingua di Shakespeare, mentre la minoranza (q) farà il suo post in un altra lingua “se cosi desidera o preferisce”. Dove 0<q<1
Hai ragione da vendere: è una questione di leggere le FAQ e quindi di rispettare le regole 
Infatti questo NON è affatto un forum di SOLA lingua Inglese. Tuttavia, la stragrande maggioranza delle persone qui presenti, parla, “di fatto” per propria scelta e capacità, l’inglese.
E ora ci prendiamo un Sambuca Molinari! (Penso che questo lo hai colto al volo 
)
Saluti.
Gosh, speaking of Shakespeare, English is my native tongue and I like Shakespeare … but I never could wrap my head around Hamlet. 
… anyway, I think the bottom line is we all want to help in the best way possible … its just the road we all see going there has multiple paths, and picking the correct one is not always agreed. … < and thank God for the computerized translations which while far from adequate - can give a sense of what is being said >
Why so easily irritated? If a person asks for help in another language, especially if they have no forum of their own, and you don’t know that language, you are free to ignore it and somebody else can answer the question. I didn’t see that many such posts recently; the English part of forums is hardly in danger of being inundated by non-English posts. Are you sure you are not looking at New Posts which take in all forums?
Are you sure you are not looking at New Posts which take in all forums?
That and ‘Todays Posts’
Not sure who you were quoting in your post, but isn’t that the point of the OP’s complaint which most of the posts so far failed to deal with. :\
If one uses New Posts etc., it pulls in the posts from all other-language forums. It’s becoming a mess for scanning the list in any language. Basically it’s a hit against productivity, except for those users who have the time and desire to read posts in several languages. The solution is to have New Posts and Today’s Posts functions at the individual language-forum level including English. I suspect that’s not possible, the implementation of additional languages was a bolt-on, and the impact on the existing users of English appears not to have been fully assessed. :X
Indeed, the 1st thing I do when I log on is scroll (which I did not have to do for a while, but now I have to scroll) down to the language area and in a few double clicks mark them all as read. Then I scroll back up (which I did not have to do for a while, but now I have to scroll) and I select “New Posts”.
… oh well. … there are worse things than scrolling
I now slowly, very slowly start to understand what is ment by the OP. It seems that the OP utterly failed to explain what he does and where he sees these strange language posts. The OP started from the idea that everybody is consulting the Forums in the way he does, which most pobably is not the case. I e.g. never look at the main page of the Forums. I look at the new posts of those (sub)forums where I am interested in (and the non english ones are not amongst them) in Akregator. Thus I never see those other language posts apart from those that are in the english one and nevertheless in strange languages. Thus I never understood the OP’s problem.
oldcpu, thanks for a workaround on the language messages.
…there are worse things than scrolling
Err, yes, more scrolling. Oh well, indeed. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more; … " (WS - Henry V)
I now slowly, very slowly start to understand what is ment by the OP. It seems that the OP utterly failed to explain what he does and where he sees these strange language posts. The OP started from the idea that everybody is consulting the Forums in the way he does, which most pobably is not the case. I e.g. never look at the main page of the Forums. I look at the new posts of those (sub)forums where I am interested in (and the non english ones are not amongst them) in Akregator. Thus I never see those other language posts apart from those that are in the english one and nevertheless in strange languages. Thus I never understood the OP’s problem.
I agree with this. However, I typically only use ‘Today’s Posts’ rather than reading sub-forum by sub-forum, and I still don’t see it as a major issue (yet). Perhaps its something that will need addressing as the volume of posts in differnet languages grow.
Not sure who you were quoting in your post, but isn’t that the point of the OP’s complaint which most of the posts so far failed to deal with.
@consused: I was adding to ken-yap’s post about ‘New Posts’
Apologies, after my post I saw it towards the end of his post. I had lightly skimmed most of the posts because they appeared to be missing the OP’s point. The only reason I got his point, was that I felt the same irritation recently when using New Posts. I considered posting about the same problem, but a phone call distracted me and I subsequently forgot about it.
Apologies, after my post I saw it towards the end of his post. I had lightly skimmed most of the posts because they appeared to be missing the OP’s point. The only reason I got his point, was that I felt the same irritation recently when using New Posts. I considered posting about the same problem, but a phone call distracted me and I subsequently forgot about it.
Point taken rotfl!
But that is NOT what the OP posted. He did not say he was using New Posts, but:
I feel annoyed by a certain number of messages in languages other from English** that should be** in Language Specific Forums.
(the bold is mine).
And you are talking about posts that are in the Language Specific Forums, but seen in New Posts.
Now, what are we discussing?
That depends on how much you rely on the OP’s use of English. Not everyone is able to describe the symptoms of their problem with clinical accuracy, and it can be more difficult if English isn’t one’s main language. I relied on the thread title, but one can try to read “between the lines” for the implications. For example, the number of non-English posts appearing in the English forums doesn’t justify the weight of the OP’s complaint. @ken_yap also saw the possibility that the OP might be using New Posts where the listing of posts now includes non-English entries from the languages section.
And you are talking about posts that are in the Language Specific Forums, but seen in New Posts.
Now, what are we discussing?
Yes, and hopefully discussing points arising from the question posed in the thread title.