What would a distro for the public sector be like?

Transitioning from the Microsoft ecosystem is hard enough for ordinary people, it seems, so for large organisations (in the light of windows 10’s end of life) some really hard work might be necessary. What preparations could be done to create a distribution fit for the governments and institutions considering such a transition to Linux?

OpenSUSE Slowroll (or maybe an even slower rolling variant) might be a good solution as a base, imho. The Tumbleweed-like slowly rolling infrastructure would produce system software that would be easy to keep up-to-date without balancing on the cutting edge. There would be no forced “jump” to the next version à la windows.

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@hukka I doubt it, if needed likely they would pay the extended support fee, likewise many are on hardware plans, swap out for new Windows 11 ready systems.

Now for servers and support, that may be different… likely be SLES and not openSUSE…

Any educational institutions are probably running a linux distribution in their labs, since there are a few that carry mirrors…

Denmark is probing a switch to Linux for “digital sovereignty” reasons, as one example.

The thread is more a question about how to make the transition easier, if there is such a wish.

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Then they would probably look at a distribution that has paid support I would imagine…

All depends on application support as well, if just using a web browser or office type application(s) then that wouldn’t be an issue I don’t think.

Peripheral hardware support may be an issue for drivers…

The most used commercial distribution is Redhat. …and Redhat has the same political problem as Microsoft and Apple – they’re based in USA.

I imagine not only hardware and applications are important but also the desktop environment that the hardware and users have to deal with. The computers in the public sector are staying on older software for a reason.

Besides, even if openSUSE provides excellent OS and application support, it would be even better to have some sort of collaboration with at least two other distributions to create a common base that would allow for a situation where more choices wouldn’t lead to going back to square one for the techies and for the administrator in case business decisions go bad. This common “twined rope” approach would also give other distributions a stronger foundation to build on, especially if the three or more large “strands” of the base system use different package formats. OpenSUSE’s Open Build Service is already used for packaging for other distributions and the step to create the intertwined base system might thus be quite easy to take.

@hukka Legally so is SUSE and openSUSE… :wink:

You probably know something that I don’t but as far as I can tell both headquarters of SUSE S.A. are located in Europe and the parent company – EQT AB – seems to be swedish.

@hukka See https://en.opensuse.org/Terms_of_site#Governing_law_and_forum and https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:License

That likely won’t change until the openSUSE Project can cut the umbilical cord :wink:

The company isn’t called SUSE LLC anymore. It is called SUSE S.A. since 2021. …but we’re getting far from the actual topic, aren’t we?

@hukka Not really, all I’m pointing out is that it’s no different from RedHat, Apple, Microsoft etc from a legal perspective, as in governing laws, irrespective of location.

Location is important as President Trump does have a say about american companies. …which very well could have serious implications for the rest of the world.

That is why I asked the questions at the beginning of this thread. Some organisations will feel the need to transition to Linux in some form. It would be constructive to prepare for such a scenario, imho.

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A good book on any modern distro and DE that walks you through a very intuitive installer and basic desktop features should be a good start. Also have the basic office software installed and others offered on the welcome screen.

But they’ll never read the book. If it was Tumbleweed they wouldn’t be updating correctly. People are lazy and that’s a huge problem.

Y’all might have heard of EU OS, but in case you haven’t:

https://eu-os.eu/
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/27/the_european_union_linux_desktop/

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Discussing something like this can not be boiled down to a distro choice. It is a larger design problem.

The following is my idealistic vision of how the problem could be approached.

Let’s say a regional administration, like a city or municipality, decided to switch to Linux, staying away from Google and Microsoft as much as possible without entirely sacrificing usability and familiarity. This would include self-hosting various things expected to be available in the world of office jobs. Email, cloud storage, calendars, etc.

For the average end user, such as a worker doing office tasks, you would deploy workstations with a preconfigured desktop environment.
This configuration would need to be consistent across the organization - allowing for peer tech support for simple problems - but still include appropriate granular modifications for different departments, to accommodate for any department-specific, specialized needs.

The end users - the office workers - would form the base user group. The base users are not, under any circumstances, expected or assumed to know much about Linux or computers beyond the GUI paradigm and whatever software their work requires. The OS and DE should either stay out of the way or genuinely assist the user.

Then there would be the intermediate user group, eg. support staff. The people who configure and deploy the workstations and come to the rescue when something breaks or does not work as intended. They would also be there to guide in the initial transition.
These people would receive a vocational training, including Linux basics, a familiarization with how to configure and troubleshoot whatever distro is being used, and hardware maintenance.
They would have access to a service manual, an internal wiki providing documentation and guidelines up to a point where it becomes a problem for the next group.

Finally there would be the advanced user group, the IT administration. Workers in this group would be responsible for hosting services, network infrastructure, choosing the hardware, backups, etc.
In addition, they would maintain the service manual and manage the intermediate staff.
They would also be in direct contact with the the distribution maintainers, to prevent and solve any deep-rooted problems.
Extensive Linux experience is expected.

Note that while language about such hierarchy may sound oppressive, I don’t mean to say that one group is better than the other.
The hierarchy is there to demonstrate the fact that not all people are interested in learning Linux in addition of doing their own, actual job that they have an education for, and that is perfectly fine.
I see it as an opportunity to easily and fairly employ more people in the public sector, providing work also in regions with high unemployment.
Even the intermediate group can be a tempting offer if the pay is good and education is readily available.
There would also be internal career paths from intermediate to advanced for those who are interested. Apprenticeship contracts, subsidized internships, etc.

Now, the distribution itself.
It should be something tailored for the public sector specifically.
It should be mass-deployable, obviously.
Also, remote support and maintenance should be possible.
It should emphasize security and stability but also keep up with usability improvements for the DE and any software.
The graphical user interfaces should be translated and localized with utmost care.
There should be a fork of the distribution running on workplace-issued smartphones, allowing for seamless integration with the workstations and the ecosystem.

Ideally this kind of distribution would be devloped and maintained by a nationwide (or EU-wide) institution, such as a politically independent foundation. The foundation and its rules would have to be carefully crafted so that authoritarian political forces could not defund it or take it over.
Finally, the development work should be partly guided by something like a council or an advisory board consisting of members from all three user groups.

I have no idea if something like this could exist or function in today’s world, but one can always dream.

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The problem in these larger organizations is that IT knowledge is very rare and lopsided, and certainly at the levels where such decisions have to be made.
And secondly, knowledge (acquiring and maintaining) is considered a cost, not an investment.

Typewriters and Filing cabinets is the only way to go… :grimacing: Employing people might be cheaper in the long run than setting up data centers etc…

@malcolmlewis
Well, I can up to a certain degree sympatize (not agree) with you.
The problem is that typewriters or filing cabinets or datacenters are only means to fulfill some needs. And if the people using these cannot be convinced to use these in a consistent and rational way, then it doesn’t matter what tools they use.
I’ve worked on small / one person projects, seen banks and government agencies struggling. And to me the biggest problem in any kind of project, is to get to know what the customers/users need. And that is too often different from what they say they need…

@hermviaene true, but it always boils down to cost…

If folks were looking at transitioning then I would expect the planning would have already been looked at and underway? Likewise, do we re-tool, retrain, employ additional tech staff, or bite the bullet and get new hardware and rock on?

I help out with video surveillance hardware/software solutions, many of the systems are running Windows 7 and Windows 10 and one Ubuntu system (they are the lucky ones to some extent)… Sure I could probably look at dropping Ubuntu on some of these systems, but by the time you add up tech, licensing transfer costs etc, very likely cheaper to just buy new hardware running Windows 11. I started asking Customers last year what they were going to do, many said we don’t know…

To my opinion a distro is the easy part, there are way more and more difficult requirements:

The best offer nowadays is I think:

But a typical origination would still like to have a larger, long existing company that supports the installation and there are few companies that offer that in Europe.

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