openSUSE update

On 2013-08-12 13:20, flymail wrote:

> Remember openSUSE was never designed specifically for newcomers since its origins from S.u.S.E.

No, I can not agree with that.

When I started using SuSE 5.3, it was because a magazine did a
comparison between the then existing distributions, and SuSE was found
the easiest by a long stretch, mostly because of YaST (then version 1).
A bit later they added SAX which made X configuration MUCH easier
(compared with the upstream tools).

I came from MsDOS Windows and I did find it easier than others I had tried.

All distributions attempted to make life easier than downloading the
components one by one and building it yourself.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

On 2013-08-12, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> On 2013-08-12 13:20, flymail wrote:
>
>> Remember openSUSE was never designed specifically for newcomers since its origins from S.u.S.E.
>
> No, I can not agree with that.

Not wanting to digress to the extent appropriate for chit-chat/soapbox, please read what I wrote:

>> Remember openSUSE was never designed specifically for newcomers since its origins from S.u.S.E.

The keyword here is specifically'. Without it, your contention may well be valid, because the openSUSE design does make some attempt to appeal to newcomers. But I specifically used the word (sic) to ensure the correctness of the sentence. Your disagreement would only be correct if the _primary_ design strategy of S.u.S.E. 5.3 was specificially targetted at newbies. This would only be the case if the distribution included non-oss batteries’ (e.g. codecs) and to my knowledge
this never happened.

On 2013-08-12 15:03, flymail wrote:
> On 2013-08-12, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:

> The keyword here is `specifically’. Without it, your contention may well be valid, because the openSUSE design does make

some attempt to appeal to newcomers. But I specifically used the word (sic) to ensure the correctness of the sentence.
Your disagreement would only be correct if the primary design strategy of S.u.S.E. 5.3 was specificially targetted at
newbies. This would only be the case if the distribution included non-oss `batteries’ (e.g. codecs) and to my knowledge
> this never happened.

IMO, it has always been targeted at newbies, within the law, becaure
including codecs is against the law on several countries. In fact, hard
core Linux users denigrate openSUSE because of YaST precisely, to easy
oriented for them. I have met some such users recently, who want me to
migrate to Debian.

I don’t claim the it was/is the primary objective - but, the official
goals are:

« openSUSE Guiding principles (short version)
We are…

… a community that provides free and easy access to Free and Open
Source Software. We innovate, integrate, polish, document, distribute,
maintain and support one of the world’s best Linux distributions. We are
working together in an open, transparent and friendly manner as part of
the worldwide Free and Open Source community. »

See the word “easy” in there? :slight_smile:

Or here: «… create a distribution which is stable, easy to use and a
complete multi-purpose distribution for users and developers, for
desktop and server use, for beginners and experienced users, for
everybody. »


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

On 2013-08-12, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> I don’t claim the it was/is the primary objective - but, the official
> goals are:

… in which case we are agreement :). I don’t want a digression in the form of a battle of word definitions in the
technical support part of the forum. Feel free to raise in Soapbox/Chit-Chat because I’m sure I can easily defend my
statement on which you based your original contention!

Returning to the OP, I’d recommend starting off with a distribution in which the appealing to Linux newcomers is the
primary objective; I’ve already mentioned Linux Mint, but I’m sure there are several others (presumably
Ubuntu-derivatives).

Re, the ease of use/learning, openSUSE does not seem so bad, in fact I think that it will come to me easier than KDE and plasma, and desktops, and “oids”, and workspaces, and activities.
Sheesh, I have to learn a whole new language.
I know that there are other desktop managers but KDE was recommended KMyMoney so we forge ahead.

You can use KDE like an old-fashioned desktop which just shows the contents of your desktop folder.
Just click on the “Activity Manager” on the panel (the three dots between to the application launcher aka start menu, and the desktop switcher) and select “Desktop Icons”.

Suweet !!!
That’s really good to know wolfi.
Thanks