openSUSE update

I am running a recently installed, openSUSE 12.3, KDE 4.10 and poking around trying to learn it.

There was a notification about an update to openSUSE-2013-609 so I told him to proceed.
Well, a gob (300+) of updates are trying to happen and I get a message about “a restart is needed”.
I am unclear if I am to restart right now or wait until the rest of the downloading finishes.
It is in the middle of downloading iproute2 with q message at the top " Waiting for service to start - Apper"

What do I do now.

Oh yeah, somewhere at the beginning of this process I got an error message about a service being unreachable. I tried to take a screen shot but I failed to grab it.
And then I got this one.

http://i40.tinypic.com/9j1t9c.jpg

Dang, it is hard to read but it says something about “failed to connect, network being unreachable”
thanks

On 2013-08-11 18:46, hextejas wrote:

> I am unclear if I am to restart right now or wait until the rest of the
> downloading finishes.

Wait :slight_smile:


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

On 08/11/2013 06:46 PM, hextejas wrote:
> What do I do now.

do NOT abort the download/update if it is still running…

do NOT boot until after all activity has finished…

do NOT boot if all activity ended with errors and warnings…

when you get a chance i advise you to right click on the apper icon
(in the tray) and select to ‘disable’, or ‘do not update’, or ‘notify
only’, or ‘never update’ (i have no idea what it says in 12.3, but
for now disable that trouble maker…and, instead run YaST Online
Update once a day…get other opinions on all of that, but do NOT
abort the download, or boot while the update is proceeding…


dd
http://tinyurl.com/DD-Caveat
http://tinyurl.com/DD-Complaints

Hi hextejas as the others have stated ** DO NOT restart in the middle up an update**

that said over the last few years i have had problems with “apper” , major issues .
others might not agree , but that has been my experience with apper .

I set it to " notify my ONLY " when there are updates
( and apper seams to not install most of the updates , only the SECURITY updates )

I use the terminal for all updates
( “su -” or sudo , i use a separate root account and do not use sudo )


su -
--- the root password ---
zypper update 

this also gives me the OPTION of saying NO , not at this time
if there is a kernel update and i do not feel like reinstalling the nvidia.run driver right this moment

No offense meant but, are you sure that this product is ready for prime time ?

Please understand that I am evaluating this on a test machine so there is really no risk before I roll it out to other desktops.

Just for grins, I tested using Yast2 <2> and tried to do a software update. The reason I did this is because what I have been used to doing is a new install and then having to bring it all up to the current release levels, hence a ton of updates. I was curious to see how it went.
Not so good.
I just tested the software update and I got innumerable <abort> <skip> <continue> "cannot access installation media "A long path name\openSUSE-123-update (Medium 1).
Is this typical, is a site down somewhere ?

thanks,

Sure it is but it is a constantly changing distro. If you want stable longer support you need to look at Suse SLE not openSUSE

Also note it is not a great idea to reboot in the middle of a Windows update

Can not find media is often caused by having the install media in the update list or just but the instal DVD back in :slight_smile:

In Yast go to Software repos and disable the DVD/CD entry. Also possible that you have a connection problem but we would need more info to know that. ie give exact error message.

are any third party repos installed ?
like “packman” or " OBS "

the yast GUI has a nice built in tool ( the same as red hat’s "yum-priorities " )

0 to 200 with 99 the default

That " cannot access installation media" is the install dvd
and it SHOULD be disabled by default and should not even be in the repos folder

do NOT turn it on
and if it is on turn it off and REMOVE IT from
“/etc/zypp/repos.d/” folder

I don’t mean to sound snarky gogal, but I am getting a bit frustrated. I really want this to work, and to work smoothly. I know about not rebooting during the middle of an update, but it looked to me that the updater was telling me to do just that. Apper appeared to be still downloading or at least stuck downloading and telling me to restart. I waited a goodly bit, 2 hours, saw no progress and did a manual restart. It seems like I am still alive. Though in hindsight, this behavior is understandable given that the network connection had been lost.
And I guess that I am going to avoid doing updates unless through Yast.

In Yast, I am looking at the software repositories and don’t see anything referencing DCD/CDs. They all start with http::\

Hah, I got so annoyed at kwallet that I turned it off. It seemed like that every 2 minutes it was asking me for a password. Well, it looks to me like, in turning it off, I lost the secure network connection, hence causing the software updates to fail.
Yast2 is plowing through the updates again and I see a lot of OKs which pleases me.

I take back every unkind thought I might have had. :X

On 08/11/2013 08:56 PM, hextejas wrote:
> No offense meant but, are you sure that this product is ready for prime
> time ?

imo 12.3 probably is not ready for folks with no unix/linux/bsd
experience…and, has not yet read all the documentation for the
basic system and desktop environment employed…and has not
followed the problem reports in this forum (and other) since release
of 12.3…

and, 12.3 is revolutionary in the changes since 12.1 (so much so that
there are LOTs of things that to me are a black art…i do not
understand at all (and, i’ve been into Linux since '98)…

and, there are more pitfalls that your previous experience (or lack
thereof) might help you to fall in…

if you want easy, smooth and ready to roll you moved to the wrong
OS…give Mac OS a shot (take lots of money)…and, it is built right
on top of another *nix-like system.

or get a google chromebook…

or,if you want an easier Linux try either Mint or Ubuntu–lots of
folks say Ubuntu is the easiest place to start in Linux… (but, LOTS
of folks are leaving both to come here…)


dd
http://tinyurl.com/DD-Complaints

On 08/11/2013 09:56 PM, hextejas wrote:
> I got so annoyed at kwallet that I turned it off. It seemed like
> that every 2 minutes it was asking me for a password.

then i think you have something set up wrong…because on a normal
day i boot and give kwallet the same password two times (once for my
Thunderbird and again for Chrome)–that is it, all day long.

and, i usually give my root password once for a terminal, and once
for YaST–i then leave both open all day (you may not wanna do that,
but i exercise positive access control to the hardware)


dd
http://tinyurl.com/DD-Complaints

I don’t us kwallet never understood the point. Or you can use it but leave the kwallet password blank. There all fixed lol It will nor ask again. I guess it is useful if you can’t remember passwords so only need to know one. It really is not an essential.

If you are new to Linux yes there are many thing so learn. I have been using openSUSE since 10.1 and love it. I still write Windows apps in a VM (VirtuealBox) and still get a kick every time I see Windows boot in a window on my KDE Desktop. What can I say I’m easily amused :slight_smile:

The best part is the community. If you have a problem many people will jump in and help solve it. The important thing is to tell use what you see since we can’t see over your shoulder unless you hunker down more.

Probably so DD, and I will revisit that when I get to a more stable place.

I went with openSUSE because of a recommendation on the KDE]\KMyMoney forum

KMyMoney is my most important app and I asked them for which distro with KDE and alongside Windows 7, they recommended, and TADA, here I am.
I would be happy to consider another recommendation from you.

I have yet to figure out how to teach myself all about KDE and plasma workspaces or whatever they are called. They look to be complicated.
I would certainly appreciate a pointer to those tutorials if you happen to know of one. I am going to post the same request on the KDE forum.

hex, aka George

On 2013-08-11 20:56, hextejas wrote:
>
> No offense meant but, are you sure that this product is ready for prime
> time ?

None taken :slight_smile:

Yes, it is. But Linux takes time to get used to, learning it ways and
tricks. It is not a commercial product, and the polish of things vary.
Some things work perfect, others do not, and some are terrible. On the
other hand, many components have alternatives.

> Please understand that I am evaluating this on a test machine so there
> is really no risk before I roll it out to other desktops.

That’s a good strategy.

(yast)

> Not so good.
> I just tested the software update and I got innumerable <abort> <skip>
> <continue> "cannot access installation media "A long path
> name\openSUSE-123-update (Medium 1).
> Is this typical, is a site down somewhere ?

No, it is not typical. It happened to me this afternoon, though. The
difference is that I have more experience than you and found the problem
in a few minutes. Other problems I take weeks. That’s what places like
this are for, for asking in case of problems :wink:


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

DD and any others that would like to offer an opinion, if 12.3 is really revolutionary, do you think that I would be better served if I dropped back a few releases say to 12.1 ?

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 02:26:04 +0000, hextejas wrote:

> DD and any others that would like to offer an opinion, if 12.3 is really
> revolutionary, do you think that I would be better served if I dropped
> back a few releases say to 12.1 ?

12.1 is no longer in support - 12.2 is what I currently run on my systems
(I usually wait for the kinks to shake out in new releases when it comes
to my bare metal systems, since I use them for work). I usually wait for
a lull in my work schedule so I can work out any issues I have when I do
upgrade, so it’s not a precise thing.

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

No support for openSUSE version is not long and 12.1 I believe is out of support or soon will be. In any case I’ve found 12.3 more stable then any of the 12.x before over all.

Your problem seems to be knowledge and wanting to do thing the Windows way. 12.3 is to the user not too much differnt the previous version but a lot is changing under the hood

So state your problems clearly and with as much info as you can provide and appropriate titles to attract the attention of someone that might know something about a problem. Limit your thread to a single problem if you have more then one start a thread on each. Always tell your version and desktop and basics about hardware like video card CPU etc. That will get the fastest and most competent attention. I’ve seen threads stretch for days because people refuse or can’t answer basic questions about the problem. If you don’t understand something ask. Everyone must start someplace

On 08/11/2013 10:36 PM, hextejas wrote:
> I have yet to figure out how to teach myself all about KDE and plasma
> workspaces or whatever they are called. They look to be complicated.
> I would certainly appreciate a pointer to those tutorials if you happen
> to know of one.

internal to your machine:
-press F1 and see if help pops up

KDE quick start:
http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-startup/art.kdequick.html

KDE.org docs:
http://docs.kde.org/

openSUSE 12.3 Reference
http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-reference/

enjoy…


dd
http://tinyurl.com/DD-Complaints

On 08/12/2013 05:06 AM, gogalthorp wrote:
> Your problem seems to be knowledge and wanting to do thing the Windows
> way. 12.3 is to the user not too much differnt the previous version but
> a lot is changing under the hood
>
> So state your problems clearly and with as much info as you can provide
> and appropriate titles to attract the attention of someone that might
> know something about a problem. Limit your thread to a single problem
> if you have more then one start a thread on each. Always tell your
> version and desktop and basics about hardware like video card CPU etc.
> That will get the fastest and most competent attention. I’ve seen
> threads stretch for days because people refuse or can’t answer basic
> questions about the problem. If you don’t understand something ask.
> Everyone must start someplace

this is GREAT advice!! +1


dd

On 2013-08-12 04:26, hextejas wrote:
>
> DD and any others that would like to offer an opinion, if 12.3 is really
> revolutionary, do you think that I would be better served if I dropped
> back a few releases say to 12.1 ?

No, no way :slight_smile:

DD was using a figure of speech, IMO. Every openSUSE Linux release is
revolutionary in its kind, because Linux is a fast moving target, it is
continuously changing.

Windows stays the same for a long time, then you upgrade or not (?) to
the next version and it is a huge difference, or not (win 8 vs win 7).
People often buy a new computer as well.

If you install 12.1, which went out of maintenance on Thu, 13 Jun 2013,
you would be learning already old tricks, and soon you would have to
install a more recent version, and learn again.

No, stick with 12.3. With some luck, 12.3 (if not, 13.1) will be choosen
as long term support by the Evergreen project and we can stay with it
for a year or so more.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

On 2013-08-12, hextejas <hextejas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> DD and any others that would like to offer an opinion, if 12.3 is really
> revolutionary, do you think that I would be better served if I dropped
> back a few releases say to 12.1 ?

I think you would be better served by installing Linux Mint Cinnamon (Olivia) to begin with. I’m not saying this because
I don’t want you to use openSUSE, but because it may be easier for you to start with a Linux distribution that is
specifically designed to be friendly to Linux newcomers. The only reason why I recommend Mint over Ubuntu, is that I
personally dislike Ubuntu although that’s no reason for you not to try it!

Remember openSUSE was never designed specifically for newcomers since its origins from S.u.S.E. You might therefore
encounter more troubles with openSUSE if you are not familiar with Linux at least to begin with. Once you are
comfortable with Linux, then there’s nothing to stop you coming back to openSUSE and you will always be welcome here,
whether or not you decide to try another distribution :).