Hey, so 12.2 is finally out, congrats to the devs for all the hard work, i’m yet to try her out as my data limit is currently not up to the download; but shall do tomorrow. I’m exited, i’ve been looking forward to this release for a long time now and am glad the developers have the guts to push the release date later to iron out kinks opposed to releasing a distro full of bugs, something i really appreciate. I also am glad that the devs are reviewing the release system to perfect the system; great work. Anyways, so i read the release announcement for Opensuse 12.2, and i was rather shocked to see this.
The latest release of the world’s most powerful and flexible Linux Distribution brings you speed-ups across the board with a faster storage layer in Linux 3.4 and accelerated functions in glibc and Qt, giving a more fluid and responsive desktop.
Specifically “the world’s most powerful and flexible Linux Distribution”. What makes Opensuse the most powerful or flexible linux distribution? Personally, Opensuse is one of the three distributions i enjoy the most, of all i’ve tried; equal with Slackware and Debian. I will mention, i think zypper is much better than apt, and the fact that you can ignore despondencies in zypper makes me believe that Opensuse is a more flexible system than Debian or a deb based distro. In regards to Slackware though, i think that zypper may make Opensuse a bit more powerful, but Slackware has the edge with flexibility. These comments in the announcement are rather extreme, what’s your opinion of these claims?
Am 05.09.2012 16:46, schrieb knightron:
> “the world’s most powerful and flexible Linux Distribution”
It is also from my point of view a bit too much hype and marketing, not
my cup of tea, sounds too much fanboy/fangirl like.
openSUSE is my favorite distro but that does not make the others worse
or less powerful/flexible (esp. I like myself Mageia, Arch, Debian and
Scientific Linux), each has its own bunch of strong and weak points,
fields where the excel and fields where they are not so good and that
also applies to openSUSE.
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PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.4 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.8.4 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 12.1 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | KDE 3.5.10
> powerful, but Slackware has the edge with flexibility. These comments
> in the announcement are rather extreme, what’s your opinion of these
> claims?
Just sounds like PR. A lot like politics really, anyone can claim anything
using whatever facts and numbers they have available. It’s all irrelevant
since the facts and numbers change over time. No need to get in a huff over
it, I’m sure when the new and improved competitors come out they’ll be the
‘most powerful and flexible’. Heh heh. : )
On 09/05/2012 04:46 PM, knightron wrote:
> what’s your opinion of these claims?
my opinion is the “marketing team” (or someone–i do not know who)
spends too much time reading Microsoft-like hype and trying to write
exciting advertising copy…
you could maybe ask ‘them’ to justify their claims…they should be
available in one (or all of these) venue:
On 09/05/2012 06:36 PM, PiElle wrote:
>
> Anyway the “product” deserves it …
hmmmmm…i’ve used nothing but SUSE/openSUSE since 9.2 (maybe .1) and
while i’m pretty sure it is the best fit for me, i don’t know how to
justify this claim:
“the world’s most powerful and flexible Linux Distribution”
so, i would love to hear how you determined “the ‘product’ deserves it”…
be sure to identify and define the measurable metrics and the tests used
to quantify both “most powerful” and “most flexible” vis-à-vis the other
three hundred plus distros
<http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity>
> On 09/05/2012 06:36 PM, PiElle wrote:
>>
>> Anyway the “product” deserves it …
>
> hmmmmm…i’ve used nothing but SUSE/openSUSE since 9.2 (maybe .1) and
> while i’m pretty sure it is the best fit for me, i don’t know how to
> justify this claim:
>
> “the world’s most powerful and flexible Linux Distribution”
>
> so, i would love to hear how you determined “the ‘product’ deserves
> it”…
>
> be sure to identify and define the measurable metrics and the tests used
> to quantify both “most powerful” and “most flexible” vis-à-vis the other
> three hundred plus distros
> <http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity>
I read it as a statement of opinion - and of course the release team is
entitled to hold that opinion.
I don’t see that it’s necessary to dissect it too closely - it’s
marketing speak and a question of opinion. Users should try it out and
decide for themselves if it’s right for them.
Well I tend to agree with this statement. Many of the top rated computers have been said to use openSUSE. One thing is for sure, most PR like statements are not going to say anything negative and so I take it for what it is. A glade statement that openSUSE 12.2 is out there finally and ready for the general public to use.
If you doubt the ability to get the most from openSUSE, have a look at some bash scripts I have put together for its release.
On 09/06/2012 03:46 PM, dragonbite wrote:
> Isn’t part of the purpose of Marketing to try and produce excitement?
sure, but wouldn’t it be more “grownup” and realistic to produce
potential user excitement through actual facts that can be substantiated
through testing?
i mean, if i knew how the ad copy writer determined that openSUSE is
“the world’s most powerful and flexible Linux Distribution” i might get
excited…
until then i’m just as excited as when i hear a politician tell me s/he
is going increase government services and pile up a huge surplus of cash
while reducing government income by cutting everyone’s taxes…
Good to hear form the folks here. Thanks for participating.
](http://forums.opensuse.org/members/jdmcdaniel3.html)jdmcdaniel3 Thanks for posting the full article, i was meant to link to that but forgot: and for the bash scripts; i do not need them, but thank you for contributing anyways.
I’d just like to state that i do not doubt Opensuses capabilities, my stance is actually pretty much identical to Martin_helms that Opensuse has it’s pros and cons like every distro.
You are welcome of course knightron. As for bash scripts, have you tried FastBoot? Do you ever write a bash script and if so, have you looked at N.S.F.? Do you ever edit systems files and if so, did you looked at SYSEdit or even fewrup? Are you an expert at coming up with chmod file permission numbers on the top of your head, if not have you looked at S.A.F.P.? Now it is hard to make everything you do a big winner, but the price is right for my scripts and in any event I am just picking on you anyway. I have tried to put some bash scripts together that everyone can use and further, if you have a good idea that I understand (and that can be asking a lot), it could be my next one, so make those suggestions and as always,
jdmcdaniel3; I’m unsure on how you took my previous post. I get the impression you may think i was being sarcastic or something. I was in no way being sarcastic. I’m a ‘general user’ who has an interest in extending my understanding of how my computer works. I’ve never needed any complex scripts yet, that’s all. I liked your SYSEdit script though, and will use that in the future, thank you.
I have written some very very basic bash scripts in the past, but nothing like them. I am just a novice in Gnu/Linux. I have been using Linux for only a bit over a year now. I have a lot to learn. I try to contribute by helping people on four forums including this one, and have recently begun reporting bugs as well, At the moment i think it’s the best input i can have, until i get up to a similar league of experience as you. Thank you for sharing your work.
