There is no 32-bit Phenom II CPU. Not even Phenom I.
The last 32-bit only desktop processors from AMD were Socket A based Barton core Athlons back in 2003!.
So there is no way this system isn’t 64-bit capable, even if it was first socket 753 system from 2003.
And this is '09 AM2+ AMD 780G/SB700 system. 64-bit.
Also, x64 version of windows worked flawlessy on it.
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:27:09 +0000, DenverD wrote:
> with “the 64-bit version displays an error message when the media is
> booted that says the system is a 32-bit system” are you saying that
> every person who boots an actual, working 64 bits system with a
> properly tested 64 bit openSUSE iso sees this wrongly displayed
> (“SYSLINUX is misdetecting the 64-bit system”) pop-up?
Obviously not, as I run a 64-bit system myself and I did not encounter
this problem on my 64-bit system, as did nobody else who installed from
this media up to this point.
I don’t know how you got that out of anything I wrote.
What I wrote was simply this:
This message normally presents itself on 32-bit systems if you
attempt to boot from a 64-bit install disc.
In this case, the CPU is clearly 64-bit (as the OP is using 64-bit
Windows on the system, and the CPU is in fact a 64-bit CPU by
specification)
Therefore SYSLINUX (which is used to make the disc bootable) is
incorrectly detecting that this 64-bit CPU is a 32-bit CPU and thus
displaying a message that is normally only seen in situations described
in #1 above.
Therefore there is a defect and it needs to be reported upstream.
Is that clear enough for you?
> i do have to wonder why it is that if everyone booting 64 on a 64 is
> seeing that error, then why has it not been fixed already?
Because not everyone is seeing it. As I said previously, in this case it
is mistakenly reporting the CPU is 32-bit and not 64-bit. It’s a bug.
> or, why is it not mentioned in oldcpu’s excellent FAQs for new to
> openSUSE folks…and, why not mentioned in CAF’s excellent videos and
> slideshows…
Because apparently nobody has run into this with the openSUSE discs
before. It’s apparently a rare issue.
> Please also ensure that NX-bit feature of your CPU is enabled in BIOS.
> All 64-bit CPU have it, and it’s not expected by 32-bit kernels/systems.
>
> So disabling it may fool the installer that this is not 64-bit CPU, i
> guess.
>
> ‘NX bit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia’
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_bit)
>
> (And if it’s enabled - try disabling it - this may be stupid, but you
> should try it anyway if nothing helps ;))
Thanks for this hint - I wondered if there was perhaps a BIOS setting
that could affect the detection routines, but I wasn’t able to find
anything on it yesterday.
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:04:25 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 4. Therefore there is a defect and it needs to be reported upstream.
Or (and I hadn’t noted this before), there’s something in the system
that’s making SYSLINUX think that this is a 32-bit CPU, and the software
author could definitively tell us what it was that causes that.
There is another potential problem with 32 vs 64 bit - totally unrelated to this problem.
I have both 32 and 64 bit machines here, and I always get both versions of a new release on DVD.
If I do try a 64 on 32, it does pop up the message.
If I grab the 32 bit DVD by mistake on a 64 bit machine, it does a full install and runs - without ever telling me it is 32 bit.
That has caused me lots of frustration later when I’ve had to use something that requires 64 bit processing, and another 3 hours to 3 days of install, update, configure, etc. Not pleasant, when a 32 or 64 number on the initial DVD boot page could eliminate that frustration.
Yes, I do now mark the DVDs and 32 or 64, but still manage to sometimes get the wrong one.
On 02/08/2012 04:46 AM, johnlb2002 wrote:
> Yes, I do now mark the DVDs and 32 or 64, but still manage to sometimes
> get the wrong one.
how could that possibly happen?
(just kidding)
i think it is a good idea for the first page of the install script to
test the machine vs the software and say (something like) "Do you wish
to install 32 bit openSUSE on this 64 bit capable machine? (as well as
whatever it says now if you stick a 64 in a 32!)
and, i think it is a good enough idea that i mention there is a great
place here for good ideas for openSUSE…
it is called openFATE the Feature and Requirements Management System of
the openSUSE community. It opens the process of product planning to all
openSUSE members…and works on the features for the next distribution
generation to help make openSUSE even better.
> If I grab the 32 bit DVD by mistake on a 64 bit machine, it does a full
> install and runs - without ever telling me it is 32 bit.
Mmm. You can propose the feature, but not to us
Just an idea: the paid-for, double layer dvd, is bi-arch, ie, it has both
architectures on the same dvd. I’m not sure, but I think it selects the
appropriate version automatically, or it asks.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Yes, it does. Or it did for 11.3, which was the last I installed that way. It selects the appropriate version, but there’s a way of switching if you want to install 32 bit on 64 bit architecture.
Is it possible this is a VM install? Perhaps the CPU is 64-bit but doesn’t support virtualization? I had a similar issue in VMs with an Intel 64-bit CPU that didn’t support virtualization. Just a thought…
