Hi,
I was wondering what is the complete difference in packages between these 2, Is a complete list of all extra software on the dvd available?
Also, about the software installed as “automatic changes” after a livecd install. Is it available by default in the dvd?
Is there anything in between the cd and the dvd which include the automatic changes (the ones that do have license problems) but is not as bloated as the dvd?
Thanks for any information.
It’s quite a while since I used a dvd to install opensuse, but what I remember is yeah it can install more stuff than the live cd without having to download so many packages, especially when you add extra packages e.g development libraries, don’t know of any list comparing what comes bundled with the different types of install media though, but there is this: Package list - openSUSE
Personally though I find installing from dvd too time-consuming, wait for it all to install off dvd, then an awful lot of that stuff you waited for gets updated anyway during the post-install initial updates so you’re waiting again for for newer versions of packages that you already installed from dvd. I find it more economical time-wise to leave adding extra packages until the system has installed and initial updates carried out so I would choose a live cd over the dvd
I think the ‘automatic changes’ you refer to is just the package manager resolving dependencies which the package manager will always attempt to do (and almost always succeed) regardless of which media you’re using
I’m not sure what you mean by ‘Is there anything in between the cd and the dvd’
I’m sure many others might have (many) reasons for preferring the dvd way, personally I prefer the net install disk partly because it gives me the latest versions of packages during install and means much less updating once booted into the installed system. There is another reason but I won’t go into that now
If you are only interested in KDE and have a reasonable broadband speed, then the Live CD is quicker and easier but there is a bug relating to the MS fonts reported elsewhere in these forums for which there is a workaround. If you have broader interests, you may find the DVD more helpful.
Thanks for the help, what I meant for automatic changes, is what is suggested after first starting the package manager, this includes flash player, bigger oxygen icons, some gtk stuff, digikam, and lots of other software. I’m guessing this is the kind of stuff that opensuse developers wanted to fit on a cd but couldn’t.
And by something in between the dvd and the cd I mean some image which has the contents of the cd plus those automatic changes, but without all the extra software of the dvd, last time I installed a linux distribution from dvd it came with a lot of programs, most of which I didn’t use, like 2 image editor, a few terminals, etc.
I am reviewing the user experience with lots of attention, and one of the first things I did was opening the package manager to install clementine (my favorite media player) when suddenly it was going to install lots of stuff, and It gave no explanation why.
Typically,post install, regardless of whether you used a cd or dvd, once you have you nice new desktop running, you should do this x2
zypper patch
Then reboot.
It stands to reason that the dvd at 4> GB is going to install more than a cd at well under 1GB
Neither the cd or the dvd have everything available one you have access to the online repos
And yes, typically once you open the software manager it will start pulling in packages to make a more complete system. Now, some people have hang up about this, but not me, I just let it install them. Having said that, there are packages I remove such as Apper, and if you use a live cd I remove a load of virtual box garbage and ndiswrapper dross. An annoying thing with the cd too is it leaves the live user file system on your /home