openSUSE different from other Linux OS for Intel NUC... Why? Need help for installation.

Hello friends.
I have recently bought a new desktop computer Intel NUC D54250WYKH.
And was very surprised to find out that this product is not compatible for openSUSE rather it is for other Linux OS viz. Ubuntu, Fedora, etc…

The details of this product are given here:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-d54250wykh.html
http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-034034.htm

Can something be done to install openSUSE on Intel NUC.?
Please help.

Thanks in advance.

How about telling us what goes wrong? error meeasge? how you are trying to install? install mode legacy/ EFI?? Etc

On 23/07/15 12:56, babloo75 wrote:
>
> Hello friends.
> I have recently bought a new desktop computer Intel NUC D54250WYKH.
> And was very surprised to find out that this product is not compatible
> for openSUSE rather it is for other Linux OS viz. Ubuntu, Fedora, etc…
>
> The details of this product are given here:
> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-d54250wykh.html
> http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-034034.htm
>
> Can something be done to install openSUSE on Intel NUC.?
> Please help.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>

One of the other M/Bs has openSUSE listed as having been installed
successfully by an owner, so just try to install openSUSE and report
back if you get an error message (with the details) for help.


PeeGee

MSI m/b 870-C45, AMD Athlon II X3 445, 8GB, openSUSE 13.1/12.2 x86_64
dual boot + Win7 Premium in VBox
Asus m/b M2NPV-VM, AMD 64 X2 3800+, 4GB, openSUSE 11.3 x86_64/Win7
Premium dual boot

Presently I am in live openSUSE session on this computer. It can be used with a live openSUSE USB. I think I can install openSUSE with your help. Please guide me…

I have four partitions on Hard Disk. (each about 250 GB). Win 8.1 is installed on “C”. And E, F G are the rest of partitions.
RAM: 8 GB
Disk Management says
C: Healthy, Primary partition
D: Primary partition
E: Logical partition
F: Logical partition

I have read these articles:
https://tweakhound.com/2014/11/13/dual-boot-opensuse-13-2-and-windows-8-1-uefi/
http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/05/install-ubuntu-1404-alongside-windows.html

Should I install openSUSE on D or E or F drive, after compressing/ shrinking one of these drives?

I have been reading many articles in the last 3 days about dual boot linux with win 8.1. Some say that swap partition should be twice the size of RAM (16 GB in my case) Please guide.
I have understood to have three partitions for installing openSUSE.
One is
/ or /boot (Which one should I use / or /boot?)
Second is
/home
Third is
/swap

Please excuse me for further questions during installation (as I have very little knowledge of computers, being a student of Medicine).
Please guide.
Thanks in advance.

I have updated the BIOS as well, after reading this article
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2097281/new-intel-nuc-bios-update-fixes-linux-installation-woes.html

Automatic installation gives me this suggestion:
(as in pic)
http://i.imgur.com/60RnRaq.jpg

Are we to understand that the problems that you had initially are no longer as serious?

No. That was a rule of thumb that was always questionable when it was current (late 1990s?) and with memory sizes of the time, but it now really useless advice. Apart from anything else, for normal operation, the more ram you have, the less swap you need. Assuming that you are not hibernating, probably a couple of Gigabytes is fine. If you are intending to hibernate, at least the size of the ram sounds sensible. But, you need to take into account what you will be doing with the computer…

Windows does tend to give partitions letters and call them drives, but that doesn’t make it right.

Should I install openSUSE on D or E or F drive, after compressing/ shrinking one of these drives?

Any of those would work.

I have understood to have three partitions for installing openSUSE.
One is
/ or /boot (Which one should I use / or /boot?)
Second is
/home
Third is
/swap

Swap I’ve already dealt with. If you choose to use a /boot partition (many don’t) it would be a few hundred Megabytes…but, as a beginner, you might as well keep things simple and not use a separate /boot partition, unless you have a particular reason to use one. /home could also be fairly small, except for the fact that you’ll probably want to store media files on it, and they’ll be large, so the size that you need is almost entirely dependant on your use case.

Obviously, there will be a / partition. If you do nothing else, things like /home (and others) will be on that same partition. There is, however, a case in which having a separate /home partition simplifies things, so it is probably a good idea to do that (in spite of the general case that ‘as simple as possible’ is a good rule of thumb for somewhere to start from).

As this is obviouly all very new to you, why not let the openSUSE installation process take care of everything?

Best is first to remove all partitions you do not need for your Windows system. Because the installer will use unused disk space and partitions are not unused disk space.

Then boot from the install medium and start answering questions, etc. In the end the installer wil offer you a list of things it is going to do. That will include a partitioning. Study it carefully, when you have questions, take notes and ask here specific questions. At that point you still can stop installing without anything happening to your existing system. You can repeat this as often as you like until yoou think: this is it.

On 2015-07-23 16:46, babloo75 wrote:

> Automatic installation gives me this suggestion:
> (as in pic)
> http://i.imgur.com/60RnRaq.jpg

It seems you are deleting ALL windows. Perfect! >:-)
If that’s what you want… :-?


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

No please, I want to dual boot my system.
It didn’t give me any option of installing openSUSE along side Win 8.1

As I said above, you should delete those partition that you do not need for Windows first. Then try to install and check what it does. As long as there is no free space, the installer can not realy guess what you want.

Note that it appears the Windows was installed in legacy mode (MBR boot) and the proposed install is in EFI mode and is set to wipe out Windows. Which is fine if you just want Linux on this machine. However do not mix legacy mode installs with EFI mode installs. It leads to heartache. The proposed partitioning is fine for a Linux only boot.

Note you can run Windows in a virtual machine if you have some old Windows programs you must run.

Also note that a VM is not great if you want to run Windows games. Some Windows games will run under wine but it all depends…

It always depends on what you plane to do with the machine :wink:

If dual booting you need to provide continues free space for the new OS also since Windows is installed in legacy mode you must install openSUSE in legacy mode. So you must boot the installer in legacy mode. There should be an option to do that in the EFI boot screen. The way to do this depends on the hardware so read the manual. Note also that legacy (MBR) mode the partitioning is more complex. You can only have 4 primary partitions of which one can be an extended. Inside the extended you can have many logical partitions. But you need to be aware of the geometry so that you place the new partition in a rational manor.

Please tell me whether I should delete Primary Partition (E) or the Logical Partition (F or G).

I tried installing with “Custom partitioning” option, but it didn’t give me an option of “EFI” thing in the list. So aborted the procedure. Probably my system does not have “UEFI” thing.
Yes Sir, I just verified the windows is installed in Legacy Mode.

Only you know what you do not need anymore. The only thing we know is the Windows view of it:

C: Healthy, Primary partition
D: Primary partition
E: Logical partition
F: Logical partition

I assume (but only you know that realy) that C is your Windows system. But I do not know if you use D and/or E and/or F for images, music, documents, etc.

When you do not need D, E and F, remove F, remove E, remove the extended partition (not in your list, but it is there and contains E and F) and remove D.

But when you say that F is about 250 Gb, that is enough for openSUSE, so removing F might be sufficient.

And you talk about G, but there is no G in your list ???

I put my USB drive in the USB port and restarted the computer. It automatically booted in the live openSUSE session.
How can I boot the installer in the legacy mode?

Don’t know what is stored in them??

I’d be inclined on removing the logical partition since openSUSE will be fine in an extended.

You did not indicate the actual extended. Windows tend to leave little details out when showing partitions

You can only have 4 primary partition one of which can be an extended and the extended partition is a special container that can hold large numbers of logical. So if you need 3 for Linux partition and dual boot with Windows you have to

  1. limit Windows to one partition eliminate the extended and the logicals it contains thus allowing 3 primary partitions for Linux

or

  1. keep the C and D labelled partitions keep the extended but eliminate at least one of the logical.

But we have no idea about sizes so it is hard to make a firm recommendation. Also we really don’t know the physical order of the partitions and are only guessing

If possible boot to a live Linux and show us fdisk -l ( note that is lower case L not a one)

Have no idea how to boot YOUR computer in legacy mode you must find that info from the people who made it ie read the manual. If you don’t have one you can generally find them on line. You want the boot menu or EFI boot menu or something like that. In that there should be a legacy mode option. When booted in legacy mode the installer will show some option at the bottom of the screen. No options if in EFI mode

If you are using live, then try the “live-fat-stick” script. I’m pretty sure that will make a bootable live USB that only boots in legacy mode.

Good morning to all…
I have developed an internet problem at my home…
Presently writing this post at a friend’s place.
Will follow instructions as per your advice and come back here as the internet issue gets resolved.

As I clicked a pic of Disk Management (last night) it shows the following partitions:
System Reserved (100 MB)
C 195.21 GB NTFS Healthy (Boot, Page File, Crash Dump…)
E 244.14 GB NTFS Healthy (Primary Partition)
F 244.14 GB NTFS Healthy (Logical Drive)
G 247.92 GB NTFS Healthy (Logical Drive)

(Sorry for the alphabetical error in my previous posts) (D was the USB Drive)

I will post the live openSUSE session information once I go home and have internet resolved.

dear host,

I know your problem because I am in your case, I;m also very new in Linux, but I think I solved this yesterday. Now I dual boot Windows 10 and OpenSuse 13.1. So this is my way:

  1. As I know, the installation will needs three partition: one for install OS (/), one for swap (/swap…) and one for store data (/home) when install . If you are new like me, we can use this structure, and in the future, we can review help from others in this forum - to optimize the install process, their advice are valuable to me until now, I love them.

  2. So, before install Suse from disk, you need to prepare a partition that was format with ext4 file system - just one! You can use Gparted or some tools can do this. When getting started with the installation process (using Suse disk or USB), the installation will use your (only one) ext4 partition, and split it to three partition like the structure I mention in 1 automatically, it will be split to three partition: one for install OS (/), one for swap (/swap…) and one for store data (/home). So leave it as the installation chooses, install and dual boot as you like.

In your case, I think you can keep your F drive to store data when working in Windows. Because when you are in Windows, you cannot see OpenSuse system (as I see in my system), but when you are in Suse, you can see all drives in Windows ^^. So, you can format G drive to ext4 (whole this partition). I guest when starting install Opensuse, the installation will split this drive to 20GB for OS (/), 2GB for Swap (/swap) and the rest for store data (/home). You can use this option and the installation will be fine after that.

It took me two day to find this out, because I have one Windows 8.1, one Windows 10, one Windows Server 2012 and I have to delete, cancel the installation process… many time before I am now. I just hope you will be lucky like me with this.