OpenSuse 12.1 Problem apper

Hello

In new opensuse 12.1 apper for install software crash

somes idéa

regards

Use Yast > Software > software Management.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:36:02 +0000, tomio 01 wrote:

> Hello
>
> In new opensuse 12.1 apper for install software crash
>
> somes idéa

It’s not clear what you’re asking for here. Are you saying that you get
a crash with a program called ‘apper’? If so, you need to specify what
exactly is happening and what you’re doing.

Jim


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@hendersj
Apper seems to be the replacement of PackageKit.
After we have to tell people since 11.2 not to use Packagekit but YaST/zypper, from 12.1 on we have to do the same forr apper.

Several thread about this apper around. All solved after people starrted to use YaST sftware management and/or zypper

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:26:03 +0000, hcvv wrote:

> @hendersj Apper seems to be the replacement of PackageKit.
> After we have to tell people since 11.2 not to use Packagekit but
> YaST/zypper, from 12.1 on we have to do the same forr apper.
>
> Several thread about this apper around. All solved after people starrted
> to use YaST sftware management and/or zypper

OK, thanks for the heads-up - I thought I saw Packagekit on my 12.1
system, now will have to look more closely. :slight_smile:

Jim


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The packagekitd daemon is still there, and apper is now the user level client that communicates with that daemon.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 03:26:03 +0000, nrickert wrote:

> hendersj;2408073 Wrote:
>> OK, thanks for the heads-up - I thought I saw Packagekit on my 12.1
>> system, now will have to look more closely. :slight_smile:
> The packagekitd daemon is still there, and apper is now the user level
> client that communicates with that daemon.

That would explain it. :slight_smile:

Jim


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On 11/22/2011 04:26 AM, nrickert wrote:
>
> The packagekitd daemon is still there, and apper is now the user level
> client that communicates with that daemon.

this is grand!

so, is apper an openSUSE created something which is supposed to remove
the killer instincts of kpackagekit/packagekit/packagekitd ??

does it? (as a slow adopter i have no idea)

if not, should helpers advise folks to 1) ignore, or 2) disable, or 3)
uninstall a) apper, and/or b) kpackagekit, and/or c) packagekit??

(if those are not enough permutations) and should the advice change
depending on if they are using KDE, GNOME, LXDE, Xfce or or or

does anyone have a clue why the distribution makers release this
frustrating stuff into the wild?


DD

As with all these end-user GUI tools that try to offer system manager’s (root) functionality to the GUI end-user, there is a deamon that runs as root to do the real stuff and you (or the Desktop developers) can create clients that are the interface to the server for the end-user. The server has to filter any end-user’s stupidities. That is true for e.g. Network Manager and also for this software management. PackageKit is the serger (runs as packagekitd) end there are different clients. Kpackagekit is the client known and loathed by people using KDE on 11.4. It seems that apper is the one for 12.1 (only on KDE?).

Thus when you do not want to use it, you can:
a) remove the applet from your desktop, usage then will probably be nill and thus no harm from it;
b) deinstall the client, that will remove the applet and usage from all users on your system and might be more applicable when you have more users (the more so as you do not want to let them manage software at all);
c) switch the server off in YaST > System > System service (runlevel), which is off course one step further;
d) deinstall the server, again one more step.
Most will be satisfied with the result of a). Other will be more rigorous and free some resource by going up to and including d).

And yes, just ignoring it is also possible and comes before a) :wink:

Am 22.11.2011 14:32, schrieb DenverD:
> On 11/22/2011 04:26 AM, nrickert wrote:
>>
>> The packagekitd daemon is still there, and apper is now the user
>> level client that communicates with that daemon.
>
> this is grand!
>
> so, is apper an openSUSE created something which is supposed to
> remove the killer instincts of kpackagekit/packagekit/packagekitd ??
>

Neither kpackagekit nor apper are something suse specific (and that is
exactly the problem with that grand unified approaches to handle
packaging systems) but a kde effort.
Out of curiosity I wanted to see how it deals with other distros, the
kde lists have several complaints from kubuntu people, so it also does
not deal well with the debian packaging system.


PC: oS 11.4 (dual boot 12.1) 64 bit | Intel Core i7-2600@3.40GHz | KDE
4.6.0 | GeForce GT 420 | 16GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.7.3 |
nVidia ION | 3GB Ram

> end-users stupidities

Are you talking to me?


DD:)

Could be. Everyone of us is also an end-user (hopefully most of the time) and you are no exception, I guess.

This however does not mean that everybody of us (including you and me) refrain from stupidties when being root. O no! Most of us will still have nightmares from time to time about some of the things they did years ago

Am 22.11.2011 17:46, schrieb hcvv:
> This however does not mean that everybody of us (including you and me)
> refrain from stupidties when being -root.- O no! Most of us will still
> have nightmares from time to time about some of the things they did
> years ago
>
Never did something stupid :wink:
When I installed linux the first time (it had cost me days until I had a
system and a “raw” X running, I did not even create a normal user, I
just used root becuase I am so clever (until I tortured my system to
death this was not a long time span), that was early '95.
(I did that never again, but I am sure there are not that many things
anyone can do wrong which I left out over the years)


PC: oS 11.4 (dual boot 12.1) 64 bit | Intel Core i7-2600@3.40GHz | KDE
4.6.0 | GeForce GT 420 | 16GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.7.3 |
nVidia ION | 3GB Ram

Am 21.11.2011 12:36, schrieb tomio 01:
>
> Hello
>
> In new opensuse 12.1 apper for install software crash
>
> somes idéa
>
> regards
>
>
You got a lot of feedback, but never told us what the crash error
message is exactly. Can you post a screenshot?
http://susepaste.org/
and give us the link.


PC: oS 11.4 (dual boot 12.1) 64 bit | Intel Core i7-2600@3.40GHz | KDE
4.6.0 | GeForce GT 420 | 16GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.7.3 |
nVidia ION | 3GB Ram

Here is my apper crash handler report. This happens when I download an RPM with firefox and attempt to install it with the default application apper. It goes through a sequence of simulating the install of files, reporting the additional changes and the list of packages to install. After I click on continue firefox pops up a dialog box saing KDEInit could not launch ‘/usr/bin/apper’ and I get the crash dialog box.

SUSE Paste

Am 04.12.2011 02:36, schrieb payamf:
> could not launch ‘/usr/bin/apper’ and I get the crash dialog box.
>
> ‘SUSE Paste’ (http://susepaste.org/21358060)
>
Looks to me very similar to this bug
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729164 (the bug mentions the
same problem with dolphin).
It mentions as workaround yast as already indicated in this thread. I
personally prefer zypper here.
Download the package and open a terminal go to the directory there the
rpm is and run “sudo zypper in thepackage.rpm” of course with the
correct rpm name.

Otherwise I can only recommend you add a comment to that bug and also
add your version of apper.


PC: oS 11.4 (dual boot 12.1) 64 bit | Intel Core i7-2600@3.40GHz | KDE
4.6.0 | GeForce GT 420 | 16GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.7.3 |
nVidia ION | 3GB Ram

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In new opensuse 12.1 apper for install software crash

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On 12/09/2011 07:16 AM, cyberworldukltd wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> In new opensuse 12.1 apper for install software crash
>
> somes idéa

File a bug at bugzilla.novell.org.

I do not use apper. You can do the same things with zypper from a command line,
or YaST => Software Management from a GUI.

Oh so true - IF only it was years ago !

Admit now find zypper the easiest update method