New forum - big change for the worse

Yet another case of substituting the goal with means to achieve this goal.

Why do you need to see the name? What you will be doing differently when you see it? May be discourse offers some other means to achieve the same effect?

I always like a dark theme and this one is kinda really nice. :grinning:
Worse? For me It’s not, The difference is just the simplicity of the old forum.

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New format is terrible. Way too much useless white space. Used to be able to look at a dozen or so threads without scrolling. Now you have to scroll forever just to get prompts to “reply”.

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I use the up and down button to get to the last or first post.

When working as an engineer for a living all (100%) of the users fiercely disputing my “unsubstantiated opinion” ended up in asking me for help when they were requested to produce results. :grinning: :grinning: :grinning:

You start talking about list of threads (or topics here) which has no “Reply” button and had not any “Reply” button in the old forum. Then suddenly you jump to “Reply” button which implies you are talking not about list of topics, but about posts inside of individual topic. In which case “Reply to topic” button is always there right below scroll bar (or timeline as it is called in discourse). Oh, and one had to scroll down to “Reply to discussion” in the old forum as well … so here it is an improvement :slight_smile:

And “Reply to post” is right below the post itself where it has always been in the old forum. And you can select text and press “Reply” anywhere inside the post and it will even preserve the formatting in the inserted quotation. Which again is rather huge improvement over the old forum.

But it shows perfectly clear that most replies are pure emotional without any attempt to actually learn new tool. Basically

new forum is bad because it is different. I do not want to learn anything new

This reaction while understandable is too late and what can be done now - learn how to make the most of what we have and help others to learn it.

Starting topic on specific issues is useful. Posting ad infinitum “bad bad bad” is not.

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Discourse is opensource, which is important. It may take some time, but ultimately I believe it will be better in the long run.

I believe it only natural that it will take all of us, not just regular members, but including moderators and admins, to get used to this.

It is a forum for providing help, so please post asking for help, if there is a significant feature that is necessary, and is now missing. That’s no guarantee that a solution will be provided, but at least attention is drawn to the issue.

… and with the openSUSE community input, I believe there will be further improvement over time.

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As I thought… Sigh…

By my age all new things are frightening, after some browsing I have learn to navigate the UI :thinking: Give it some time.

I agree, was veeery better the name than the picture

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I agreee, very dispersive this new site

And it helps how exactly? Are you going to fork it to use on this forum? All problems mentioned so far (a lot of wasted space, no “mark as read”, no way to remove seen notifications) are known for years and developers of discourse refuse to solve them because they do not acknowledge them as problems.

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I’ve had no issues getting my changes merged upstream, we are running off of a package that won’t need patches once the new minor version is released, which does remove some maintenance burden

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Actually, AFAICS, “Dismiss” seems to function somewhat similarly to “Mark as read” …

  • “Wasted Space” – The preview Pane for typed text is to the right of the Text Box used for typing –
    If I make my Firefox window narrower – enough for the Text Box and the preview Pane, there’s less white space used by the Forum but, I suspect that, I’ll have to widen the Firefox window again when I visit other Web sites …

The main reason people here talk about wasted space is that when you widen the window you expect (this was a design with HTML) that the text will fill this from left to right, thus becoming shorter vertical and then leaving space for more text from below (more posts in view). Also when there are long CODE lines, which are now shown with a horizontal ruler below the CODE box), you expect them to become available in their full length. This is both not the case. All you get is useless white space.

2022-12-15 19:44

A possibility to use the whole screen is to open forums.opensuse.org/?mobile_view=1
It will enable the mobile view and uses the whole screen width on a desktop computer.

I clicked the link and indeed when I enlarge the screen width it all fills it up.

However there are many more questions now.

  1. composing this post the whole thread behind the compose area is shivering (from cold or fear?) and in fact unreadable.

The wysiwyg area is absent.

Even when I close all windows that I opened after I went to this link, every new window I open has the same “mobile” form. Even when I reload a window that was already there, it shows the mobile format now. Am I now sentenced into suing this forever and ever? (OMG, the other window now also starts to shiver!!!)

Open forums.opensuse.org again and click on the lock icon in the adressbar → website einstellungen(website-settings) → deleta data
It will delete the cache and settings for forums.opensuse.org and after a browser restart everything should be back to the prior view…

I closed all FF windows, but this still is there.

How to revert to “normal”.

(And please everybody, be warned not to click on hui’s “mobile” link, just a warning from my experience)

See comment above to revert…