Please, again, think on a refugee from M$, a new or unexperience user at Linux…
Well?
If you want my opinion…
(you don’t? )
Leap 16.0 couldn’t be released in a better state
if the aim is to cut off from “fresh blood”.
As I’m still an unexperienced 15.6 user myself, I have to admit I do not dare
to (dual-boot) install Leap 16.0, and will stay at Leap 15.6, until 16.1 release
(for 18 months without security fixes).
If I won’t stumble across a friendly distro until then.
While the situation for installation/ documentation obviously is only the start
for several uncompleteness in 16.0.
(BTW If a new edition of M. Kofler’s book will be for 16.0,
his assessment propably will be the epigraph for 16.0 desktop).
I’m really sorry about that.
That is WHY I posted this.
For your personal situation, consider switching to Slowroll or (if you are more adventurous inclined) Tumbleweed. There is a migration path from Leap 15.6 to either of those.
Leap 16.0 comes with a lot of new things that may be painful for users who know Leap 15.6, or for Linux novices:
No more YaST
Cockpit for general system administration
SELinux
Wayland instead of X11
A real need to learn how to use the command line and how to handle configuration files manually.
This is not exactly reaching out a helping hand to welcome former Windows users.
On the plus side, there is now Myrlyn for software and repo management (SCNR ).
I can feel your pain and the Leap 16.0 transition not being that easy is a known issue, see e.g. the 16.0 Retrospective (just for reference, not a required reading for users).
18 months without security fixes is not an option IMHO; in the past when a release had serious problems with my HW I (temporarily) switched to Tumbleweed waiting for the next minor release (and the last time I chose to stay with TW); now you have also Slowroll to consider.
If you need more advice or specific help feel free to ask here, we are here to help.
However as to my (still restricted) knowledge Slowroll isn’t sure to get rolling at all…
and TW is too adventurous for me indeed.
Concerning “migration”… well… I read too many threads about problems if not re-installing.
Yes, I know about the new things in Leap 16.0.
(And I do appreciate your contributions on them ).
However these are not the points of my post.
Please be aware that Tumbleweed (and Slowroll) have new defaults in case of a fresh install that can be even more troublesome than migration to the novice user (grub-bls and SELinux to name just 2) unless you know how to configure the install such that it resembles the 15.6 “old default” behaviour.
Many sites say that people will be moving to linux to avoid w11. The key advantage windows has over linux in attracting users is that windows tries to avoid the necessity of any IT functionality knowledge at all by the user. Linux has distros that range from nearly 100% IT functionality needed in gentoo or arch to a low IT functionality needed like linux mint or popos, i.e., popos is like a windows dropin.
I run and have run dozens of linux distros in vms to test things out. I would put openSUSE leap in about a 20% range of needing IT capabilities. I still run leap 15.6 but have run leap 16 in a vm. I do think leap 16 does require more IT knowledge than leap 15.6. I think, e.g., that the old 15.6 yast methodology is superior to the new broken up system config methodology. Thus, I don’t think openSUSE will benefit from this (assumed) wave of people moving from windows as much as some of the other distros might.
I suspect I will never understand what this statement is for.
Linux and Windows both are OS.
And it would be a big error if Linux is so arrogant
to reject any comparision and the possiblity to learn from Windows.
(Actually it obviously has already at DE…).
It seems to be an unsuppressable reflex by some linux users
to give “Linux is not Windows” whenever something at Windows
appears to point to a potential improvement in Linux.
To be explit (again)… see my first post:
Providing an easy installation and documentation for that,
all Win I can remember (2.11) are better than Leap 16.0.
Best way to cut off beginners.
Windows being more user-friendly and requiring less IT know-how is a myth. We shouldn’t perpetuate it, especially not in this day and age.
Windows was only ever acceptable for non-geeks because it came preinstalled with a new PC, and because people simply took it for granted that it was full of bloatware. They could rarely reinstall Windows themselves, let alone with all the drivers from all over the Internet.
For long years I had a constant stream of acquaintances rediscovering that I exist only to reinstall their Windows after they messed it up; at some point I cut that short by telling them I’d gladly install them a Linux, but not a Windows.
But it isn’t, there is a whole different mindset needed with Linux.
OK, so as a test, on your linux distro install, now install windows on that system using the defaults… does that work without using the custom install feature?
Can you point at the MS Windows documentation for this install to dual boot with Linux? Install openSUSE in WSL2 and have a play to see what it’s all about?
@shundhammer I’m in the same boat, my current catch phrase is buy Windows 11 hardware or get Mac hardware Even then I still get the rufus tweaked windows 11 and use that for a few…
Right.
But in this thread I’m not about my special case (as it is far more complex is the reason for me to wait for stable 16.1), but this thread is about a simple install.
And for that simple install, I bet any Win is better (documented and stable) as 16.0 is.
Yes I know, everything is documented in an archive at Alpha Centauri
But doing a simple install… you are pointed to everything (see above), but not to that document.
I’m (really) sorry having to state:
Releasing 16.0 obviously was due to schedule, not to readiness.
But that doesn’t make it more user friendly, or the user requiring less IT know-how!
Is it user friendly when you have to click through the Windows settings / control panel endlessly to change a setting? To figure out what keeps rattling endlessly on your disk when you just want to play your game (which is the reason to boot Windows in the first place)? To get rid of those scam messages that keep popping up in the Edge browser’s side bar with an annoying “plop” every two seconds?
And in these days, to figure out how to use Windows with a local user account, to get rid of the spyware AI “agents”, the endless screenshot taking every second and sending it “home” to MS HQ? Seriously? Do you find that user friendly?
I remember being on the hunt for ATI graphics drivers that would not crash my system while gaming 20 years ago. Spoiler: There weren’t any, they were simply all bad; a far cry from NVidia drivers back then and today.
A normal user simply has to live with all those things. I pulled the plug on that many years ago: I’ve been living in a completely Windows-free zone since about 2020. Before, I used it for gaming, but without any network access because I always mistrusted MS. The conspiracy theories from back then became sad reality with Win 11.
No, sorry; Windows is neither user friendly nor easier. It screws you over every which way all the time.
Oh and windows forces users to create an MS account to login, good luck when the internet is down… Oh gosh darnit, you can avoid that by shock/horror opening a terminal with shift+F10 and then from that evil terminal and command line run start ms-cxh:localonly to create a local account…
@shundhammer oops, let the cat out of the bag for you…
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