KDE Plasma 6 – Wayland only – no X11 – Heads Up

David Edmundson posted yesterday the KDE plan for X11 retirement – <EX-11: Prepping for Plasma’s Last X11-Supported Release>

In Plasma 6.8, there will be no X11 session in the login screen. There will only be a Wayland session available to log into.

In 6.8, all X11-specific code paths in Plasma for Plasma Shell, System Settings, and device configuration will be gone.

Looking at the KDE (Release) Schedules – <https://community.kde.org/Schedules> – this is planned to happen mid-October this year and, will (hopefully) coincide with KDE’s 30th birthday.

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Before 6.8 there will be first 5.7 and finally give the ability to save and restore positions of native Wayland windows.

https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Known_Significant_Issues

If that works fine and windows are restored after a reboot I will switch.

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Or you could just do XLibre and SonicDE and not worry about it

…yeah, if you don’t care about security…
Another name, same issues under the hood. Broken by inexperienced “maintainers”. No CVE tracking…

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Sources? It’s all on git … a simple search would have told you that
If you have bugs report them …

Neither one of them stopped me from finding the patch that fixed openSUSE’s nvidia/blank/black/blue/green screen did it? And yes I run both XLibre 25.1.5 and sonicDE 6.6.5

You seem to miss that the Nvidia/Kernel issue was not DE related…
So how does this issue relate to the unmaintained X11/Xlibre code?

If XLibre was so “poorly maintained” how would any of my efforts in this matter have been fruitful? You keep saying “unmaintained” when that is a false statement

It is quite hard to discuss on a technical base with the Xlibre supporters. But at least the vast majority of linux distributions did an anylysis and decided not to use or support this project. One of the reasons is the code base which is the same as X11. You can’t fix something which is based on structures and code from several decades ago. You can only apply a bandaid here and there, oh now it breaks, ohhh…
This analysis was done by the real X11 maintainers which analyzed, that the so called “code cleanup” from the so called Xlibre “maintainer” broke more stuff than fixed it. Sure, if you only read the delusional statements from the Xlibre “maintainer”, you don’t get the complete picture.

But whatever…you can use whatever niche product you want. But the future will be Wayland.

Well believe it or not there are quite a few distros that say different and have actually switched to XLibre … you continue using your “niche” product that is still half-baked after how many years now? Nearly as old as X11/Xfree86 correct? Whatever …

You have fallen for the intentionally vague formulation on the “are we Xlibre yet” site. “Third party support” does not mean that Xlibre is supported or provided by the distributions. This are third party repos as the main distribution does not support Xlibre.

From the handfull distributions on the list which ships Xlibre, there are less than five which has a remarkable user base.

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So am I to understand that openSUSE would support an XLibre/SonicDE KDE option in OBS once (or before) KDE drops X? That would truly be “remarkable”

And by “support” I mean “not outright ban it”

A project on OBS does not mean that it is supported by openSUSE. You may want to read up what OBS is.

If you mean by „openSUSE support“, that you will find a maintainer which is capable and willing to create a devel project, properly maintain it, fix bugs and pull it…go on.

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Yes I know what OBS is

Thank you … that’s what I wanted to know

To provide some clarity for other users who may read this thread:

For modern desktop environments like GNOME or KDE, the reality is Xlibre is entirely pointless. These DEs are now Wayland compositors themselves, and they are actively gutting their X11 code anyway.

XWayland already handles legacy apps. Xlibre only matters for old standalone window managers (like i3) or people/projects rejecting Wayland entirely.

Enjoy the choice I guess.

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Which is entirely my point. Believe it or not a lot of users do not want this and open-source is all about choices correct? I tried Wayland for 3 years and just like having an option … so yes I’m enjoying my choice

My main point was to inform that it is irrelevant to those using Gnome or KDE (likely the majority of users here). It’s a Wayland world for most of us now.

100% incorrect. Your choices are:

  • Use a distro that does what you want.
  • Build your own distro with Xlibre, and for my sake sysvinit and whatever else that has been deprecated over the years. I would aim for a 48-bit x86*
  • Stand up, build a team, and warrant not only long term maintenance of your Xorg fork, but also guarantee that everything else in any distro continues to work.
  • Stay with your distro of choice, respect and trust the decisions made by its devs and stop argueing.

So choice is incorrect … got it

Ya no … XLibre works fine with everything all the way up to current

We’re doing that right now

So disagreeing is not allowed? And expanding choices on my “distribution of choice” is a bad thing? Ok … whatever you say, my opinion isn’t allowed right?

@dart364 They have a lot of Nvidia bugs…?

Wayland works fine these days across all my hardware circa 2012-2021. At some point everything reaches critical mass and implodes :wink: