May be of interest to those with 13th/14th generation Intel CPU’s…
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I have been getting the feeling that intel might not be around much longer unless they turn this around.
@40476 well I suspect it only relates to the over clocking crowd, but it’s worth noting if on newer hardware and have some instability in general?
possibly, although I don’t know if it is related to overclocking because I have not heard overclocking mentioned in conjunction with this specific issue. So I assumed it was just part of the 13th and 14th generations of a whole.
@40476 The latest I have is the Celeron N5095 (Intel JasperLake [UHD Graphics] Gen-11) and Intel N100 Intel Alder Lake-N [UHD Graphics] Gen-12.2). But have been looking at a newer Intel CPU for the Intel ARC…might be time to hold off on that and get a Nvidia T4 instead…
When I build my next desktop it just going to be a dual Xeon build since my GPU really won’t have enough power to do any AI workloads like stable diffusion. It’s an older Radeon 8GB (it has 3 digits but I don’t remember them off the top of my head.) Anyway, I plan to put that in my new computer, even if it is out of date. For my laptop I’m just going to find a decent all AMD gaming laptop and just roll with it for next couple years.
@40476 I run a Nvidia Tesla P4 at the moment for LLM’s they are cheap on ebay, you need to add a fan though an still supported with the latest drivers eg 560 series…
Interesting, I thought they used a proprietary connector of some sort.
Nope pci 3.0 x16
hmmm, I never thought a company like tesla would do the right thing and use a standardized port.
Here Tesla shares with the CarMaker only the name 
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Hello all,
I was initially shocked by this post! As I am considering an new mobo/cpu, this was especially interesting.
Ran across an interesting article this morning that may help put some perspective on the overall issue.
I really want to return to using ECC RAM and am trying to find a cheap mobo/cpu combo. I don’t need much in terms of cpu, as my ancient,
mostly obsolete i5 is mostly underutilized 
Until I scraped across this article, it seemed AMD Ryzen 5600 or 5600X were the way forward. Now, 12th gen intel is looking pretty good.
I had an early i7 gen 13 - it died after 40 days. No overclocking.
Dell was nice enough to replace it with a i7 gen 12 - that has run for a year with no issues. The best part is the gen 12 bench marked better than the gen 13 by about 5% except for single core.
Dell did tell me that they had more than usual failures on the new model and I could wait for another batch or take a gen 12 that they had in stock.
There is no way to tell if your gen 14 is a new fixed or an older - it is going to fail someday soon - model. I’m pretty sure all gen 13 have the problem.
@oxwrongagain I’d recommend a HP Z440… 
last one I got was US$99 Quad Xeon v4, 16GB ECC RAM and a Quadro K620 on ebay…
Current setup
System:
Kernel: 6.10.5-1-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.3.1
Desktop: GNOME v: 46.4 Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20240825
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Z440 Workstation v: N/A
serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 212B v: 1.01 serial: <superuser required>
UEFI: Hewlett-Packard v: M60 v02.61 date: 03/23/2023
Memory:
System RAM: total: 128 GiB available: 125.7 GiB used: 4.85 GiB (3.9%)
Message: For most reliable report, use superuser + dmidecode.
Array-1: capacity: 512 GiB slots: 8 modules: 8 EC: Multi-bit ECC
max-module-size: 64 GiB note: est.
Device-1: CPU0-DIMM1 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-2: CPU0-DIMM2 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-3: CPU0-DIMM3 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-4: CPU0-DIMM4 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-5: CPU0-DIMM5 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-6: CPU0-DIMM6 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-7: CPU0-DIMM7 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
Device-8: CPU0-DIMM8 type: DDR4 size: 16 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s
CPU:
Info: 18-core model: Intel Xeon E5-2695 v4 bits: 64 type: MT MCP
arch: Broadwell rev: 1 cache: L1: 1.1 MiB L2: 4.5 MiB L3: 45 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 1198 min/max: 1200/3300 cores: 1: 1198 2: 1198 3: 1198
4: 1198 5: 1198 6: 1198 7: 1198 8: 1198 9: 1198 10: 1198 11: 1198 12: 1198
13: 1198 14: 1198 15: 1198 16: 1198 17: 1198 18: 1198 19: 1198 20: 1198
21: 1198 22: 1198 23: 1198 24: 1198 25: 1198 26: 1198 27: 1198 28: 1198
29: 1198 30: 1198 31: 1198 32: 1198 33: 1198 34: 1198 35: 1198 36: 1198
bogomips: 150896
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
My next build is going to be dual Xeon, but with recycled parts and such, since I hate spending money. The Xeon models in question that I am considering have been manufactured prior to all this, and if you are looking for a sub $500 upgrade option I can provide the parts list.
@40476 HP Z640 can do dual Xeon’s…
Hi again @malcolmlewis ,
Oh how I HATE and eventually adopt so many of your suggestions! I don’t buy off the shelf boxes because I can build much better myself. I run a no-name self built system. One of my requirements, must accommodate at least 6 3.5 inch stupid old fashioned hard disks. Six is absolute MINIMUM!
Considering case upgrade to Define R5 or R7 by Fractal Design
One can purchase older sata 3 enterprise quality disks for as little as $10/per TB. Brand NEW never used disks, albeit manufactured a decade past.
Not very long ago, my absurdly large collection of movies and music videos fit nice and snug into a simple 2TB raid setup. And then QHD and UHD video came along … and well … I just can’t get enough storage!
So all those nice reasonably priced workstations are a bit off the mark for me. I currently run 6 disks of sata3 in mdraid 10 far 2, for 16 TB total. A flip of a switch gets me to 20 TB; no change in hardware, just a change to the redundancy scheme.
I think I need 24!
And lest you think I am a total troglodyte, my os and “/home” run off disks 7 and 8, small NVME sticks that perform wickedly fast!
I guess one idea inspired by your response … transform current box into a headless NAS … access assets from new box? … need to do some price checking, but maybe viable!
Thanks as always
@oxwrongagain Oh I use second hand stuff as well My Kubernetes Compute node is a second hand Nvidia Tesla P4 off ebay, recycled ATM motherboard (free!) with a ebay Xeon(R) CPU E3-1245 V2 @ 3.40GHz and 32GB (New) of RAM and a M.2 SSD (new)…
All the stuff for my HP Z440 was brought cheap over time…
Next project is RISC-V oh and add another Intel ARC to the Z440…
Oh!
I need at least 32 GB of ram because I use the Nemo file manager, which leaks memory out the wazoo! And even with the ridiculous memory leakage, it is still a much better file manager than nautilus, which I maintain a custom hacked version of that actually integrates with tracker … like fully integrates … not the ■■■■■■■■ Gnome tries to pass off as tracker integration.
For me it is fabric for Minecraft java that leaks memory, not sure why though.