HELP Trapped to OpenSUSE 11.2 By Parallels!

Has anyone successfully ran Parallels Desktop 4 under OpenSUSE 11.4?
If so, could you please share how to do it?

I have not been able to move to 11.3 and now 11.4 because of that.
Even the latest kernel in 11.2 had to be back-tracked.

Thank you in advance,

  • Itai

On 05/20/2011 07:06 AM, idanan wrote:
>
> I have not been able to move to 11.3 and now 11.4 because of that.
> Even the latest kernel in 11.2 had to be back-tracked.

that is because it is required by Parallels…

apparently the Parallels software not being updated to run with more
modern kernels…

see here:
http://www.parallels.com/eu/products/desktop/pd4wl/sys-requirements/ and
take your pick of:


Linux distributions

Debian 5.0
Fedora 11
Mandriva 2009
OpenSUSE 11.1
RHEL 5.3
SLES 11
Ubuntu 9.04

you might wanna try VBox, VMWare, XEN or some other VM…


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Yeah I knew that much but VMWave is trapped at 11.2 as well. Xen is limited to 10.3 and VBox is at 11.3, at least it is closer but still outdated.

I understand these software have an intimate connection with the OS but it
getting ridiculous that changes in Linux constantly break these things.

I was hoping there could be a workaround.

Thanks anyways!

What do you mean VBox is at 11.3? There are VBox packages for 11.4.

idanan wrote:

>
> Yeah I knew that much but VMWave is trapped at 11.2 as well. Xen is
> limited to 10.3 and VBox is at 11.3, at least it is closer but still
> outdated.
Except xen (which I do not use), can you elaborate how vmware (which
product?) and vbox are trapped at 11.2 and 11.3, I simply cannot see that.
Both work with 11.4 as host and as guest.


PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram

Well, I was assuming the documentation was correct. Sorry if that was a bad assumption, it did turn out to be correct for Parallels, although I managed to
run it at 11.2 up to one kernel update ago.

Those are the version numbers published on the official sites of these products.
For VMWare I looked at the Workstation product but honestly I cannot make
heads of tails out their products, the website abstract statements about each
product not really saying what is different about it.

Are you saying you know that VBox and VMWare both work under 11.4?
It is officially supported? Or just an accident… like Parallels on 11.2?

Thanks in advance,

  • Itai

Why don’t you look at the download page of VBox and see that there is a package for 11.4 instead of speculating?

Again which vmware product do you refer to? There are many. VMWare server
you can forget, it is dead in the water and deprecated and will not work
with newer linux versions.
In general you will not find any official support by vmware for any non
enterprise product if you ask for that. Second thing is that if you look on
the vendor web sites for many products they are simply to lazy to update any
compatibility statement since they do not take the effort to test that
(again with some exception for the commercial enterprise versions of the
operating systems).
Can you add the link to what you think is the official page and check when
it was the last time updated? Almost all vendors care a *** about the
variety of linux distros out there and do not mention anything reliable
about the versions it works with or not.

Virtual box is official part of the openSUSE distribution including 11.4.

VMWare player works on 11.4, VMWare Workstation works on 11.4, VBox works on
11.4 as host operating system and all work with 11.4 also as guest operating
system.


PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram

I was not speculating. I went to each site and searched for Host OS requirements. The VBox document is completely outdated apparently.

Thank you for pointing out the download page has an 11.4 download! I’ll try it under 11.2 first, if it suits my needs, then I’ll be able to convert to 11.4 finally.

Cheers

Again, that would be WMWare Workstation.

The product page:
VMware Workstation: Run Multiple OS Including Linux & Windows7, on Virtual Machines

Leads to these docs:
http://pubs.vmware.com/ws7_ace26/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ws_user&file=man_intro.3.10.html

It list OpenSUSE 11.2 64-bit as the latest OpenSUSE version and the file was modified Dec 21, 2009.
You can understand my skepticism since Parallels give me nearly the same experience. Their product info page
has NOT been updated for a while and neither has their product, apparently since it stops working under 11.2
with the latest kernel.

Really, I need a reliable source of information because I cannot upgrade to 11.4 (or anything else) without knowing
that I will be able to work. That means I cannot simply try to see if something works under 11.4. I will try though
to see if any of these other products is suitable for my needs under 11.2 once I get confirmation that something
also works under 11.4. For now, that is only VBox.

Thanks again!

  • Itai

The only reliable information you can get is from the people using it. Not
from a web page at the vendor which is not up to date.
So two options I can see:

  1. open a thread where you explicetely ask other openSUSE users about their
    experience with the software in question and on which version it works.
  2. send an email to the vendor (for VMWare workstation you are a paying
    customer) or subscribe to one of their forums and ask the same.


PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram

idanan wrote:

> also works under 11.4. For now, that is only VBox.
>
Not true I already confirmed that VMWare Player 3 and Workstation (version
7.something I can tell you exactly on monday) work with 11.4. But you should
ask other users also about their experience. It is unlikely they come across
a thread which is about Parallels.


PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram

Since you mentioned also Xen you might as well be interested in KVM
http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
A cannot give you too much details how it works since I will put effort into
it not before next month. But I just want to mention it.
There is support for it and you might want to read the openSUSE document
about it.
http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse114/pdfdoc/book_kvm/book_kvm.pdf


PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram

idanan wrote:

> Are you saying you know that VBox and VMWare both work under 11.4?
> It is officially supported? Or just an accident… like Parallels on
> 11.2?

Pretty much has to be official - http://virtualbox.org/virtualbox lists the
rpm for openSUSE 11.4, x86_64 or i586 for the latest versions.


Will Honea

Which VirtualBox page says that it’s limited to 11.2? The only reference to 11.2 I can find is where it says in bug reports to give the name and version of the distro, e.g. openSUSE 11.2. In any case, a package for download is very strong evidence that 11.4 is supported.

ken yap wrote:

>
> idanan;2342822 Wrote:
>> I was not speculating. I went to each site and searched for Host OS
>> requirements. The VBox document is completely outdated apparently.
>
> Which VirtualBox page says that it’s limited to 11.2? The only
> reference to 11.2 I can find is where it says in bug reports to give the
> name and version of the distro, e.g. openSUSE 11.2. In any case, a
> package for download is very strong evidence that 11.4 is supported.
>
+1

The OP is right about the VMWare page, I checked it myself now, they provide
an incredibly outdated compatibility list which ends for all linux versions
in 2009 (according to that list ubuntu is supported till 9.04!).

But first I also could not find anywhere evidence for Virtual Box that there
is such an old page (maybe a google cache?? or so my first thought) and I
was confident to proof the opposite:
But no - I found it, it is the official online manual for vbox which is not
up to date
http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch01.html#idp7547360
It says what the OP claims, compatibility for oS 11.3 (this is what the OP
wrote for vbox not 11.2 which was for VMWare).

But beside that, one of the strongest points is that the OSE version of
Virtual Box is part of the openSUSE 11.4 standard repository and is official
part of the distribution. I cannot imagine what could be more official.
KVM is also officially supported by Novell for openSUSE 11.4 as can be seen
by the document link for the KVM docu from Novell for openSUSE 11.4 which I
posted.


PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram

Hi

Well, I have no reason to make anything up. When the first reply I got
to my question listed a number of VMs, I went to each and every one
followed the link to the requirements document. I didn’t see anything
more logical to do since that answer also pointed to the Parallels docs
listing its requirements.

Now, that is great to hear about VirtualBox. I much prefer something
in the repo as even Parallel had to be reinstalled forall but two kernel
updates (I have no idea why, it just would just give an error after all
those updates). I will try it with 11.2 and if it works for my use cases
than that will give me confidence to move on to 11.4.

Thanks again,

  • Itai

martin_helm wrote:

> But beside that, one of the strongest points is that the OSE version of
> Virtual Box is part of the openSUSE 11.4 standard repository and is
> official part of the distribution. I cannot imagine what could be more
> official. KVM is also officially supported by Novell for openSUSE 11.4 as
> can be seen by the document link for the KVM docu from Novell for openSUSE
> 11.4 which I posted.

Dumb question, but can you apply the extensions to the OSE version of VBox
and get the USB functionality to make it equivalent to the PUEL version?


Will Honea

Will Honea wrote:
> Dumb question, but can you apply the extensions to the OSE version of VBox
> and get the USB functionality to make it equivalent to the PUEL version?
>
Yes
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions


PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram

Hahaha, that must be job security for the manual writer.

Office: Hey, Debian Squeeze just came out, you need to revise the manual.
Writer: Okey doke.
Later…
Office: Hey, Ubunty Natty just came out, you need to revise the manual.
Writer: Yay!