Heads up regarding kmail in M4

Kontact/KMail didn’t start after upgrading to M4 and installing the latest updates (KDE version is 4.5.80 now).
I got it to work with the kdepim4-runtime from Andreas Jaeger’s repo, but my folder structure including all mail is gone now (any hints where it might be gone are welcome <G>)

So kids, make a backup before playing with it. I didn’t :frowning:

Uwe

It’s bizarre. After adding a KMail folder manually to Akonadi, the folder structure is back and my mails start to appear slowly.
It seems Akonadi/Nepomuk are tinkering with it.
The whole thing is really scary, be careful <G>

Uwe

On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 20:47:45 +0530, Uwe Buckesfeld <u.buckesfeld@web.de>
wrote:

> It’s bizarre. After adding a KMail folder manually to Akonadi, the
> folder structure is back and my mails start to appear slowly.
> It seems Akonadi/Nepomuk are tinkering with it.
> The whole thing is really scary, be careful <G>
>

for me, old email messages disappeared after some time; don’t know exactly
when. i was looking around for archiving or expiry settings, but there
aren’t any. is no big problem since all my personal mail goes via gmail,
where it’s being archived (and put to good use for advertising purposes,
likely).

i’m not 100% sure this is kmail’s or akonadi’s doing, though: i messed up
my original 11.3 install, imported $HOME into KDE factory, then into
unstable, and back to factory again. for some reason everything (settings,
contacts, etc.) still works, but this sure isn’t the recommended process…


phani.

Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:

> It’s bizarre. After adding a KMail folder manually to Akonadi, the
> folder structure is back and my mails start to appear slowly. It seems
> Akonadi/Nepomuk are tinkering with it. The whole thing is really
> scary, be careful <G>
>
> Uwe
Where did you add it? I’d like to try it on my 11.4 system where Akonadi
won’t start.

Russ
openSUSE 11.3 (2.6.34.7-0.5-default)|KDE 4.5.3 Release 10|
Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|4GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS

  • upscope wrote, On 12/02/2010 05:34 PM:
    > Where did you add it? I’d like to try it on my 11.4 system where Akonadi
    > won’t start.

Ah, okay, I skipped that part :slight_smile:
Akonadi and Nepomuk didn’t work. I followed the troubleshooting steps here:
http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting

Once Akonadi is working, come back :slight_smile:
My understanding is that kmail2 fully relies on Akonadi (not sure yet if this is a smart move, but hey), so this needs to be done first.

Uwe

When folks write and concur with the message, “The whole thing is really scary, be careful”, then you know there’s a real problem.

The whole KDE4PIM thingy in KDE4 has been an unmitigated disaster. I have NEVER managed to get it to work, let alone my 3.5.x kmail transferred to it, and all I want is Kmail. Instead, I’m using Claws-Mail and it’s a gem. Has some converters so that (e.g.) your .vcfs can be converted into a workable address book for Claws.

I really don’t care what KPIM does, and how “wonderfully sociable” it is. If they can’t get basic e-mail working for folks without needing a kludge of Akonadi, Nepomuk, MySQL, Virtuoso, and the cast of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and full moons, then perhaps they should re-examine their definition of “real needs” versus “KDE bling”.

Seems to be a common KDE affliction these days, the inability to make whatever worked in KDE 3.5.x work in 4.5.x first, and then introduce a “new/improved/enhanced” bling version with a different name, so it doesn’t overwrite what does work! It’s really called “planned regressive progress”, and is based on the law of “predictable consequences”.

On Sunday 05 Dec 2010 16:06, sorenson2743 scribbled:

>
> When folks write and concur with the message, “-The whole thing is
> really scary, be careful-”, then you know there’s a real problem.
>
> The whole KDE4PIM thingy in KDE4 has been an unmitigated disaster. I
> have NEVER managed to get it to work, let alone my 3.5.x kmail
> transferred to it, and all I want is Kmail.

I agree that kmail has been a pain to convert from KDE3 to KDE4. This was
supposed to happen automatically and, so I was told, apparently did so for
non-openSUSE users. However, it took me a couple of weeks of copying files
back and forth before it would work properly. Luckily I was used to it as
I’d had the same trouble with previous kmail changes. Even so, I was
surprised to find that my system of renaming old files and then dumping to
the waste-bin didn’t work too well as kmail kept track of them and kept
using them instead of the new files, and this only showed up when the files
were deleted!

Having said that, once I’d got it working and I’d worn out all the swear-
words I had to hand, it has worked well since.

>
> I really don’t care what KPIM does, and how “wonderfully sociable” it
> is. If they can’t get basic e-mail working for folks without needing a
> kludge of Akonadi, Nepomuk, MySQL, Virtuoso, and the cast of the Mormon
> Tabernacle Choir and full moons, then perhaps they should re-examine
> their definition of “real needs” versus “KDE bling”.
>
> Seems to be a common KDE affliction these days, the inability to make
> whatever worked in KDE 3.5.x work in 4.5.x first, and then introduce a
> “new/improved/enhanced” bling version with a different name, so it
> doesn’t overwrite what does work! It’s really called “planned
> regressive progress”, and is based on the law of “predictable
> consequences”.
>

My impression is that the way it’s organised, no data should get
overwritten. The 4.4.7 data is held separately from 4.6. I’ve tried 4.6 and
it’s a shambles. Bits say they’ve worked and then say they haven’t and other
parts say they’ve failed and still seem to try to carry on working. It’s
weird. However, it is still in beta and hiccoughs should be expected.

I’ve gone back to running 4.4.7 on 11.3 - and even 11.2 for a while - and
I’m happy to say that I lost no data whatsoever, whether in mail, contacts
or calendar.


Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man