DVI to HDMI (or DVI to Display Port) connection to UltraWide (2560x1080p) monitor?

I have what I think to be two hardware questions, although possibly I am looking at a software answer. It is associated with a planned LEAP-15.2 to 15.3 update.

I think I know the answer (to both questions) but I thought I would ask to give me confidence I have not overlooked anything.

1st question: Will the output of an old nvidia GTX-260 graphic card (using a DVI to HDMI adapter) display OK on an ultrawide LG29 monitor (capable of 2560x1080p resolution) at a lower resolution?

I don’t care if I don’t get 2560x1080p resolution … as I simply want to connect for a few hours to update the desktop with the nividia GTX-260 graphic card from LEAP-15.2 to LEAP-15.3. Once the update is successful, I will disconnect the LG29 monitor and connect to the desktop ‘headlessly’ (ie via ssh/vnc).

I suspect the answer is ‘yes’ this will work (giving 1920x1080 with black bars on either side of ultra wide monitor).

Supporting information:

  • the GTX-260 grapic card supports 2560x1600, it has only DVI connectors,
  • the LG29 ultrawide monitor supports 2560x1080 , it only has 2xHDMI and 1xDisplay Port.
  • To connect the two I pondering to use a DVI to HDMI adapter to connect the graphic card to the monitor with an HDMI cable. However I have read DVI to HDMI adapters only support 1920x1080 resolution, which is fine for me … But will the LG monitor display at 1920x1080 resolution with the adapter in the electrical connection?
  • This is for only a very brief few hours connection.

Surfing on that has not yet given me a definitive answer (I suspect the answer is yes - however I have read of users with different monitors saying DVI-to-HDMI to an ultrawide monitor fails for them).

2nd question: Am I better off paying more money buying a “Dual Link DVI” to Display port adaptor and also buying a display port cable (for only a few hour connection) ? I have read the nvidia GTX-260 supports Dual Link DVI (which will support up to 2560x1600)? I don’t particularly care for this route as it means spending more money.

I suspect the answer is yes this will work, but I will need to buy a ‘dual link DVI adapter’ and buy an appropriate Display Port cable.

Background: A few more details (likely not so relevant - so it can be skipped) :

This is on an ancient core-i7-920 desktop running openSUSE-LEAP-15.2 that I plan to update to LEAP-15.3. The monitor I use with this desktop long since died, but that was no bother as its my 3rd PC and I simply connect to it headlessly via ssh and vnc over the family LAN. The desktop is sitting under a desk with the LG29 monitor, so the connection would be easy to make (the desk and monitor are used nominally by my wife for use with her laptop).

3rd approach I have not considered: I have not done a ‘headless’ upgrade to from one LEAP version to another LEAP version (which I suspect may be possible) but since I don’t have that GNU/Linux experience I don’t have the confidence that if I try that, that the upgrade from LEAP-15.2 to 15.3 will work. Hence my pondering to use a DVI to HDMI cable (and sort of rejecting the Dual Port DVI to Display port adapters approach to save money - after all this is a VERY OLD desktop).

In summary questions:

  1. Will the DVI output of a graphic card display ok on an Ultrawide monitor at a lower resolution? (lower resolution as its driven via a DVI to HDMI cable)?

  2. Is it a better/safer approach to use a Dual DVI to Display Port adapter to connect graphic card to the Ultrawide monitor ? [which means spending more $$]

I would be curious as to any experience.

Basically answering my own question (which is the question I didn’t ask … lol … ) …

Probably I should attempt a headless update from LEAP-15.2 to 15.3 (via SSH) on this old desktop … and then if I fail to access the desktop after the update, to then connect the ultrawide monitor (using a DVI to HDMI adapter) to the desktop and boot the desktop to see if I can access LEAP-15.3. There is nothing critical on this old desktop so that is likely the best way for me to learn …

If I have issues doing a headless update to LEAP-15.3 I will post in an Install/Boot/Login thread (although I will research this a lot first prior to attempting such an update).

Hi
Upgraded my ADS-B headless system yesterday via ssh and zypper, one thing I did do was switch to the mirrorcache URL (See the news about that for your region) and downloaded all the updates first (was only ~800MB). No issues and all back and running after the reboot…

You need to ensure if on btrfs to follow the /var/cache subvolume setup.

https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade

For my location, that likely would be Hong Kong, or Singapore, or Malaysia ( https://mirrors.opensuse.org/ ). I will have to check to see how to switch to a mirrorcache.

Thanks. I’ve been reading that.

To download all updates first I assume it means I need to use the " --download-in-advance " option.

This old desktop has the Linux partitions formatted with ext4, so there are no btrfs complexities.

Hi
This article: Download redirector current state - openSUSE News

So http://mirrorcache-au.opensuse.org/

Yes, the download-in-advance option, you could also run download-only to make sure you get everything and then dup, I would also add verbosity to see what’s happening as well with the -vvv option.

Thanks, those links lead me here with excellent guidance for the mirror: MirrorCache - openSUSE Wiki

Thanks for the ’ -vvv’ option suggestion.
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My 2560x1080 display:

# hwinfo --monitor
22: None 00.0: 10002 LCD Monitor
  [Created at monitor.125]
  Unique ID: rdCR.ENry2eDt2v4
  Parent ID: IluS.RGxIQMAo_bD
  Hardware Class: monitor
  Model: "DELL U2913WM"
  Vendor: DEL "DELL"
  Device: eisa 0x408a "DELL U2913WM"
  Serial ID: "5W92N66N105L"
  Resolution: 720x400@70Hz
  Resolution: 640x480@60Hz
  Resolution: 640x480@75Hz
  Resolution: 800x600@60Hz
  Resolution: 800x600@75Hz
  Resolution: 1024x768@60Hz
  Resolution: 1024x768@75Hz
  Resolution: 1280x1024@75Hz
  Resolution: 1152x864@75Hz
  Resolution: 1280x1024@60Hz
  Resolution: 2560x1080@60Hz
  Size: 673x284 mm
  Year of Manufacture: 2016
  Week of Manufacture: 25
  Detailed Timings #0:
     Resolution: 2560x1080
     Horizontal: 2560 2624 2688 2784 (+64 +128 +224) -hsync
       Vertical: 1080 1083 1093 1111 (+3 +13 +31) +vsync
    Frequencies: 185.58 MHz, 66.66 kHz, 60.00 Hz
  Driver Info #0:
    Max. Resolution: 2560x1080
    Vert. Sync Range: 49-86 Hz
    Hor. Sync Range: 29-94 kHz
    Bandwidth: 185 MHz
  Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
  Attached to: #8 (VGA compatible controller)
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I don’t know that there’s any software that reports what input connection types are available on a display. This one has DisplayPort, HDMI, DVI, VGA, and also a DisplayPort output.

This is my fermi:

# inxi -GSayz
System:
  Kernel: 5.3.18-59.34-default x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0
  parameters: root=LABEL=<filtered> ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume
  mitigations=auto consoleblank=0 5
  Desktop: Trinity R14.0.11 tk: Qt 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin 3.0 vt: 7
  dm: TDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 630] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nouveau
  v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0f00 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] vendor: XFX Pine driver: nouveau
  v: kernel bus-ID: 05:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0402 class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 **driver: loaded: modesetting**
  unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: nouveau,nv,nvidia display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 2560x1080 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 541x228mm (21.3x9.0")
  s-diag: 587mm (23.1")
  **Monitor**-1: **DVI**-I-1 res: **2560x1080** hz: 60 dpi: 97
  size: 673x284mm (26.5x11.2") diag: 730mm (28.8")
  OpenGL: renderer: NVC1 v: 4.3 Mesa 20.2.4 direct render: Yes
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which is quite newer than a GTX 280.

This is my Tesla, about a year older than a GTX 280:

# inxi -GSayz
System:
  Kernel: 5.3.18-59.37-default x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0
    parameters: root=LABEL=<filtered> ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume
    mitigations=auto consoleblank=0 vga=791 5
  Desktop: Trinity R14.0.11 tk: Qt 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin 3.0 vt: 7
    dm: TDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA G98 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 2] vendor: PNY driver: nouveau
    v: kernel bus-ID: 0b:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:06e4 class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 **driver: loaded: modesetting**
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: nouveau,nv,nvidia display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 405x228mm (15.9x9.0")
    s-diag: 465mm (18.3")
  **Monitor**-1: **DVI**-I-1 res: **1920x1080** hz: 60 dpi: 72
    size: 673x284mm (26.5x11.2") diag: 730mm (28.8")
  OpenGL: renderer: NV98 v: 3.3 Mesa 20.2.4 direct render: Yes
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The Tesla came up in 1400x1050 mode, which my Dell has an affinity to when connected to an older GPU via DVI. I switched it to 1920x1080 with xrandr, the maximum mode it reported.

The connection was a shorty DVI-to-HDMI adapter and a 6’ HDMI cable.

I can imagine no reason you can’t be happy with the process.

Thanks for the input. …

At this stage its more for a backup plan, in case the headless update that I am in the process of doing (as I type this) fails.

My main worry was if I used the GTX260 (not a GTX280) with a DVI-to-HDMI adaptor to the LG29 ultrawide monitor it would only give a black screen with the LG monitor (where a user with my identical hardware reported on the Internet they only could get a black screen (albeit MS-Windows), followed by another user who stated it could not possibly work with DVI to HDMI adapter, … followed by another who stated with the same hardware it worked with no problem at 1920x1080 on a 2560x1080 display (with simple black bars on both sides).

This sort of conflicting information/experience on the Internet, often complicates one’s planning. Who to believe?

I switched to the Australian mirror, from the default openSUSE.org repository, for the headless update from 15.2 to 15.3, and its downloading at about 1/2 the speed for (sometimes 1/3 the speed) of what I typically would get with the openSUSE.org repository (and no mirror). I know they say to use a mirror closer when doing the update (claiming better speeds can be obtained), but honestly - that is not my experience. Slower speeds are typically obtained in my experience. I recall trying a mirror switch (but for only small updates) once before over a year ago, and again I had very very slow down load speeds with a few different geographically closer mirrors.

… still I am retired - and I have the time to wait - so a bit longer does not matter. The process is underway (its been downloading now for 2 hours and its about 80% complete the ~3GB download). … and I have a fast fiber optic connection at home, capable of more than 20x the download speeds I am getting with this update.
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The 260 is also a Tesla. Its release was at least 6 months after my 8400 GS rev2.

If you do need your backup plan, read my post here from just hours ago about NVidia GPUs and kernel-default-extra.

Thanks. It took about 3.5 hours, but the install to LEAP-15.3 (from 15.2) was a success. Thanks to Malcolm for the confidence building posts.

I had only one interaction during the install,where it complained it could not delete the old LEAP-15.2 kernel (although the 15.3 kernel installed ok).

I am accessing the old PC via vnc piped over ssh at present time. Not much to configure as this type of headless update configures most everything and takes a lot of the work/fun out of updating with a clean install rotfl! I miss the fun !! rotfl!

I had the resolution left at 1024x768 (piped over vnc) because I used to on occasion access it with an old laptop that had a low resolution. But now that I have my Lenovo X1 Carbon with its high resolution, accessing this headless desktop at 1024x768 is just too small a resolution. I will need to check a bit as to what I need to do to increase the resolution to 1600x1200 (when accessing this headless device via vnc).

In case any are curious, here is the ‘headless’ old PC:


oldcpu@oldcorei7:~> inxi -F
System:    Host: oldcorei7 Kernel: 5.3.18-59.10-default x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.18.6 
           Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: P6T DELUXE V2 v: Rev 1.xx serial: <superuser/root required> 
           BIOS: American Megatrends v: 1108 date: 09/21/2010 
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7 920 bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 8192 KiB 
           Speed: 1604 MHz min/max: 1600/2668 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1636 2: 1629 3: 1604 4: 1627 5: 1604 
           6: 1629 7: 1604 8: 1606 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GT200 [GeForce GTX 260] driver: nouveau v: kernel 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa s-res: 1024x768 
           OpenGL: renderer: NVA0 v: 3.3 Mesa 20.2.4 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 82801JI HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.3.18-59.10-default 
Network:   Device-1: Marvell 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet driver: sky2 
           IF: eth1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:24:8c:7e:ee:38 
           Device-2: Marvell 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet driver: sky2 
           IF-ID-1: eth0 state: down mac: 00:24:8c:7e:ee:39 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 1.36 TiB used: 162.19 GiB (11.6%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST31500341AS size: 1.36 TiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 28.71 GiB used: 12.80 GiB (44.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
           ID-2: /home size: 1.17 TiB used: 149.39 GiB (12.5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7 
Swap:      ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 6.35 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) dev: /dev/sda5 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 58.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 51 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nouveau fan: 0 
Info:      Processes: 225 Uptime: 2h 46m Memory: 5.79 GiB used: 1.25 GiB (21.6%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.1.00 

I can’t recall exactly when I bought this old non-name PC (custom assembled with hand picked items) but I think it was around 14 years ago. Its a bit of a fossel. lol!

Hi
Great news :slight_smile: Yes upgrade to Leap 15.4 should be just as painless… Once I swapped over the repos and made the /var/cache change, ran the upgrade and left it to it…

What is that about? I’ve done lots up Leap version upgrades, including to 15.4, without any notice of anything to do with cache.

Hi
If it’s a big upgrade and using btrfs it’s a ‘just in case’ esp if running snapshots, my setup is small for this system (16GB SSD), I should really have just put all of /var on xfs like MicroOS does… I’m using less than 4GB and the update was only 700MB so would have been fine and not running snapshots.

I managed to get the resolution I wanted (I decided to go for 1280x1024 instead of 1600x1200), but it took me a few hours to figure it out - and I am not certain I used an optimal approach.

I posted here about it: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/564832-Resolution-in-headless-desktop-when-accessing-remotely-via-x11vnc-piped-over-ssh
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