consultation on Tumbleweed

jony127 · March 10, 2012, 12:30am

Greetings.

Is there a page that shows all the repositories recommended for Tumbleweed?

Are they as stable?

Thank you.

jdmcdaniel3 · March 10, 2012, 2:42am

I would start here for information on installing Tumbleweed. http://forums.opensuse.org/content/55-how-upgrade-opensuse-12-x-tumbleweed.html

While one would guess that it is stable enough, it is also leading edge stuff. If this were a production machine, or if you are a new user or if you don’t take well to reloading openSUSE if something goes wrong, then stick with the regular openSUSE 12.1 release would be my suggestion.

Thank You,

user · March 10, 2012, 5:56am

jony127 wrote:
>
> Greetings.
>
> Is there a page that shows all the repositories recommended for
> Tumbleweed?
>
> Are they as stable?
>
> Thank you.

Here’s mine. Any others are not recommended,
>
>
tumbleweed:~ # zypper lr

| Alias | Name Enabled Refresh

–±-------------------------±------------------------±------±-------
1 | Packman-Tumbleweed | Packman-Tumbleweed | Yes | Yes
2 | Tumbleweed | Tumbleweed | Yes | Yes
3 | Updates-CURRENT | Updates - CURRENT | Yes | Yes
4 | openSUSE-CURRENT-Non-Oss | openSUSE-CURRENT-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes
5 | openSUSE-CURRENT-Oss | openSUSE-CURRENT-Oss | Yes | Yes

Vahis

http://waxborg.servepics.com
openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.11-default main host
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.2.9-13-desktop Tumbleweed in VirtualBox
openSUSE 12.1 (i586) 3.1.9-1.4-desktop in EeePC 900

knurpht · March 10, 2012, 1:13pm

The recommended repos are those as displayed by Vahis. But there are more repos with Tumbleweed packages, like Index of /repositories/network:/chromium as you can see in the directory listing

silverslimer · March 10, 2012, 7:10pm

Personally, I would replace Packman with the VLC repository. For one thing, VLC 2.0 is not available elsewhere and it’s a much better player than Totem. Also, VLC’s repository contains libdvdcss2 which is required to play encrypted DVD’s and just happens not to be included in any of the Packman mirrors. Finally, VLC has a Tumbleweed repository which is an official source for the program’s updates.

The disadvantage, of course, is that VLC’s repository does not give you access to other beneficial multimedia software such as DeVeDe. As well, VLC does not seem to have a mozilla-plugin package available in openSUSE which could be a burden for some people.

malcolmlewis · March 10, 2012, 7:39pm

VLC 2.0 is being worked on in packman
http://lists.links2linux.de/pipermail/packman/2012-March/010779.html

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jdmcdaniel3 · March 10, 2012, 8:24pm

In addition, may I say there is no reason to not load both Totem and VLC as that its what I do. Some online content, such as viewing iTunes Movie Trailers, works best with the Totem Firefox browser plugin.

Thank You,

silverslimer · March 10, 2012, 8:30pm

@Malcolm That’s fine but it doesn’t solve the libdvdcss problem.

knurpht · March 10, 2012, 8:36pm

This being…? I never used the videolan repos, always Packman, and I don’t know anything about “the libdvdcss problem”. Could you elaborate on this one?

jdmcdaniel3 · March 10, 2012, 8:39pm

For libdvdcss, you can add the vlc repository, install the file and then disable the repository. And you could get something else there before you disable it. However, when installing files from Packman, all packages and dependencies for those files must originate from Packman to ensure their proper operation. When the vlc repository is added and still enabled while also using Packman, it is easy to mix up packages which cause them to not work properly. As long as you understand the risks, you can do as you wish. Anytime there is a choice, I use the Packman files every time.

Thank You,

robin_listas · March 10, 2012, 11:18pm

On 2012-03-10 20:46, Knurpht wrote:
>
> silverslimer;2447299 Wrote:
>> @Malcolm That’s fine but it doesn’t solve the libdvdcss problem.
>
> This being…? I never used the videolan repos, always Packman, and
> I don’t know anything about “the libdvdcss problem”. Could you elaborate
> on this one?

It is a required library needed to decrypt commercial DVDs and watch them.
We can obtain that library from <http://opensuse-guide.org/repo/>, but it
is not browsable and I don’t know if it has a tumbleweed component.

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robin_listas · March 10, 2012, 11:23pm

On 2012-03-10 20:46, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:

> However, when installing files from Packman, all
> packages and dependencies for those files must originate from Packman to
> ensure their proper operation. When the vlc repository is added and
> still enabled while also using Packman, it is easy to mix up packages
> which cause them to not work properly.

You can give vlc repo a lower priority (higher number). Disabling a repo
while using tumbleweed is not a good idea, as you have to keep doing dups
all the time.

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

malcolmlewis · March 11, 2012, 2:26am

Hi
It hardly ever changes, all you need is the src rpm and just rebuild on
the next OS upgrade…


rpmbuild --rebuild lbdvd.......

The just copy the resulting rpm (or just zypper in).

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user · March 11, 2012, 5:26am

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-03-10 20:46, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:
>
>
>> However, when installing files from Packman, all
>> packages and dependencies for those files must originate from Packman to
>> ensure their proper operation. When the vlc repository is added and
>> still enabled while also using Packman, it is easy to mix up packages
>> which cause them to not work properly.
>
> You can give vlc repo a lower priority (higher number). Disabling a repo
> while using tumbleweed is not a good idea, as you have to keep doing dups
> all the time.
>

The OP asked about recommended repos.

Now, I gave the officially recommended repos.
(By the developer and maintainer of Tumbleweed, Greg K-H)

Also, it’s officially recommended to not have priorities at all.

The OP can see that there are official recommendations and there are
lots of different other recommendations.

The latter being somewhat different, like there are different people.

People who can’t wait a package to appear can do wharever they want if
they know how. If not, they should wait.

VLC has so far always appeared in Packman eventually.

Vahis

http://waxborg.servepics.com
openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.11-default main host
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.2.9-13-desktop Tumbleweed in VirtualBox
openSUSE 12.1 (i586) 3.1.9-1.4-desktop in EeePC 900

Larx · March 11, 2012, 7:49am

I always use this repo for libdvdcss in combination with Tumbleweed and I never ever encountered a single problem. I doubt that a single, very simple library like libdvdcss will cause compatibility issues with Tumbleweed.

user · March 11, 2012, 9:12am

Larx wrote:
>
> I doubt that a single, very
> simple library like libdvdcss will cause compatibility issues with
> Tumbleweed.

It’s not that this single library would cause problems, I think it never
has.

But the trouble starts if it is from a repository that is enabled and
has some other software that another repo, also enabled, has in a
different version.

To avoid this, just install libdvdcss and disable the repo it’s from.
Then use only the recommended repos.

tumbleweed:~ # zypper lr

| Alias | Name Enabled Refresh

–±-------------------------±------------------------±------±-------
1 | Packman-Tumbleweed | Packman-Tumbleweed | Yes | Yes
2 | Tumbleweed | Tumbleweed | Yes | Yes
3 | Updates-CURRENT | Updates - CURRENT | Yes | Yes
4 | openSUSE-CURRENT-Non-Oss | openSUSE-CURRENT-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes
5 | openSUSE-CURRENT-Oss | openSUSE-CURRENT-Oss | Yes | Yes

Other stuff can be used (I for one am doing this) but then one should
know what one does.

Adding and mixing stuff may screw up the system badly.
I have run tumbleweed since day one and I have experienced things going
south big time, too.

Vahis

http://waxborg.servepics.com
openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.11-default main host
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.2.9-13-desktop Tumbleweed in VirtualBox
openSUSE 12.1 (i586) 3.1.9-1.4-desktop in EeePC 900

user · March 11, 2012, 10:00am

malcolmlewis wrote:
>

silverslimer:

> Personally, I would replace Packman with the VLC repository.

That’s a bad piece of advise.
One should not spread bad advise.

For one
> thing, VLC 2.0 is not available elsewhere and it’s a much better player
> than Totem.

There are many players, not just VLC and Totem.
Like mplayer with smplayer. In packman.
Also, VLC versions always appear in packman eventually.

Also, VLC’s repository contains libdvdcss2 which is required
> to play encrypted DVD’s and just happens not to be included in any of
> the Packman mirrors.

Best to install libdvdcss from videolan and then disable the repo.

Finally, VLC has a Tumbleweed repository which is
> an official source for the program’s updates.

Much better off with packman.
It also has vlc. If not 2.0 right now, it will.
>
> The disadvantage, of course, is that VLC’s repository does not give you
> access to other beneficial multimedia software

Tons of them, many of which crucial.
Like codecs and some crucial libraries. Many.

such as DeVeDe. As well,
> VLC does not seem to have a mozilla-plugin package available in openSUSE
> which could be a burden for some people.

Sure it has. In packman.
>
>
>

> VLC 2.0 is being worked on in packman
> [packman] Contribution for mulimedia section
>

Vahis

http://waxborg.servepics.com
openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.11-default main host
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.2.9-13-desktop Tumbleweed in VirtualBox
openSUSE 12.1 (i586) 3.1.9-1.4-desktop in EeePC 900

jony127 · March 11, 2012, 2:25pm

I added the 4 repo Tumbleweed and Packman Tumbleweed, run a zypper dup but has not been updated to version 4.8 kde.

robin_listas · March 11, 2012, 4:48pm

On 2012-03-11 05:26, Vahis wrote:
> Also, it’s officially recommended to not have priorities at all.

I know, but I do not agree.

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

user · March 11, 2012, 5:25pm

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-03-11 05:26, Vahis wrote:
>> Also, it’s officially recommended to not have priorities at all.
>
> I know, but I do not agree.
>

O.K.

I do stuff myself which sometimes is not officially recommended.

A lot of times I get away with it, too

I just try not to recommend some of my stuff for unexperienced users…

Vahis

http://waxborg.servepics.com
openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.11-default main host
openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.2.9-13-desktop Tumbleweed in VirtualBox
openSUSE 12.1 (i586) 3.1.9-1.4-desktop in EeePC 900