On 04/02/2011 11:36 PM, swerdna wrote:
> So my question is: should I turn standard 11.4 packman repo back on?
> (I think that’s a yes – but just thought I’d check).
as far as i can find, the answer to your question can not be
determined by reference to any documentation provided/approved by the
developers of Tumbleweed (neither wiki, manual, forum how-to, nor
developer answer in any previous forum post)…
since http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed gives: “feedback, share
experience and report issues to the openSUSE Factory mailing list” i
can guess that the answer might be asked (or found in archive) there…
The all-in-one Packman repository doesn’t make any difference for Factory, Tumbleweed and Evergreen_11.1… compared to just adding the Essentials subrepo… since Essentials is the only subrepo that builds for Factory, Tumbleweed and Evergreen_11.1.
If you use Tumbleweed you should use the Tumbleweed version of Packman, not the openSUSE 11.4 version. If you need packages from other Packman subrepos you can try to use the openSUSE 11.4 versions, but that’s totally unsupported.
Well then it seems to me that new 11.4 users should remove Packman Tumbleweed Essentials and “Packman 11.4 Standard” and should attach “Tumbleweed All of Packman”. That way new installations of 11.4 can be zypper dup-ed to Tumbleweed AND can also install all the multimedia and other stuff they need, using “the hard way” rather than the “one click method”.
Thanks DD. I’m a subscriber to the Tumbleweed list and didn’t think to use google to get deeper into it. So I will.
You might be interested to learn that we’re starting a Tumbleweed forum in the “English” section in the next few days. There seems to me to be enough threads addressing Tumbleweed to warrant a focus/forum about Tumbleweed.
I apparently had it OK at the start but got confused by not understanding that Tumbleweed All of Packman and Tumbleweed Packman Essentials are identical. (as opposed to, say, 11.x All of Packman and 11.x Packman Essentials being not-identical).
When I last looked, the Packman Tumbleweed Repository was not complete. It was just receiving updated packages built after its creation date.
Until all Packman packages have received an update, and are present within the Packman Tumbleweed repository, it will be necessary to initially pull packages from Packman’s openSUSE-11.4 repository.
For a new installation I would do the following:
Install openSUSE using standard repositories and regular Packman repositories
Ensure all your Packman-based packages are installed
Disable the regular Packman repositories
Add the openSUSE Tumbleweed and Packman Tumbleweed repositories
zypper ref and then dup for the openSUSE and Packman Tumbleweed packages
If a newly required Packman package, and its dependencies, are not available through Packman Tumbleweed then it will be necessary to temporarily re-enable the original Packman repositories to resolve it. Over time this should not be necessary.
I carefully read and I think that I followed the correct instructions. I disabled the Packman repository for OpenSUSE 11.4 after I installed the operating system and I performed my standard updates. I followed the directions on how to add the Tumbleweed repository and I did the sudo zypper ref and sudo zypper dup. Then, I added the Packman for Tumbleweed repository in YaST -> software repositories. I performed another sudo zypper ref and sudo zypper dup to download and install a whole bunch of software packages. Now, everything is up to date. I rebooted my notebook PC and everything works.
Someone should make this into a how-to guide or a sticky because it works and it is useful information for those that want to learn more about Tumbleweed and the Packman for Tumbleweed repositories to keep their OpenSUSE systems up to date with the latest stable releases as they become available.
Assuming you switched to Tumbleweed with openSUSE-11.4, I would hope that the Tumbleweed respositories would be in good shape when 11.5 arrives. That would be the time to disable the openSUSE-11.4 repositories and work with the Tumbleweed repositories alone. This will only work if all post-openSUSE-11.4 updates automatically enter the Tumbleweed repositories and that really depends on how well Tumbleweed has been thought-out as a complete system.
To me Tumbleweed seems stagnated.
It depends on package maintainers supporting it. LibreOffice packagers support it an there it is, Greg added the kernel/low level parts, a few more packages and… If RPM, gcc, Firefox, KDE, etc. package maintainers don’t want to support Tumbleweed either a new maintainer is found for Tumbleweed or the packages will never be available.
Apart from 'Office, and Packman’s essentials, I see little difference with it compared to when I used it against 11.3 for getting stable kernel updates. I guess it’s still early days for 11.4 and Tumbleweed project.