Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

Am I the only one who can’t use GIMP or Krita because they do things in completely unlogical way, becuse they are so user-unfriendly?

OMG, why can’t someone make clone of Photoshop?! At least some version from 10 years ago, like v 5.5 or something? Just clone… without inventing the hot water, just clone it?

For me it is absolutely impossible to use this applications. For someone who used photoshop a lot in the past, everything looks upside down.

Am I the only one?

It does work. though it is not as powerful as photoshop. The impression that it is not friendly is not too acceptable. It is by the user who uses the app.
If you start working in gimp and think it as gimp not photoshop and disregard
all photoshop thinking while using it you will be able to start adopting to this new gimp environment. This is speaking through experience. Before I was used to making architectural 3d in acad and when I tried sketchup I found it hard at first because I always think of using the acad commands.

Just my sincere 2-cents

On a side note:
Maybe,this one should be in the soapbox section

Yes, I know this. It was the same when I passed from Win to Suse… however, it is DIFFICULT. To make some simple operations like pasting to layer from clipboard, creates some “floating” layer which I cant do much unless I make 20 clicks over the menu… I mean, spending 2 hours just trying to make a “tab” look like in Flock…

Some things are driving me crazy… if I make selection, shouldn’t one click on image deselect it? It is like this in all graphics applications made on this planet, except in GIMP…

In my opinon, GIMP should serve as an example HOW NOT to make program.
It is powerful, but that is no use if you need to forget everything you knew before, and learn how to use same tools on different way.
Looks like if you design a hammer that can strike the nail only upwards.

Like any app you just have to use them for awhile.
I used to hate GIMP, but I love it now.

Hi
As a novice GIMP user (Had to make a photo mosaic for the desktop). If
I cut and paste a photo as a layer and then give the layer a name
then all is calm in gimp land. You can then click on the layer and
do anything you want to it.

Maybe they could make a Xmas video how the gimp stole photoshop? :wink:


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> Yes, I know this. It was the same when I passed from Win to Suse…
> however, it is DIFFICULT. To make some simple operations like pasting to
> layer from clipboard, creates some “floating” layer which I cant do much
> unless I make 20 clicks over the menu… I mean, spending 2 hours just
> trying to make a “tab” look like in Flock…

Not sure what you want to do with the layer, but I usually use the merge
down. You could always open a new window and edit what you want the layer
to look like and then copy it into the other project as a new layer, then
merge the two. It’s not that hard, just different.

I never used Photoshop before, and now after 1.5 years webdesiging I see that Gimp is a great tool.
User-unfriendly? I don’t think so, it was a completely new application for me, the GUI the Effects, Layers, everything.
Do not blame this application, read some tutorials. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes, this is true. The reason is that Gimp, in my opinion, never went through the hands of critically-minded developer, who would improve the user interface.

In fact, there were no significant developments in user interface since years. There was some additional package to improve the interface, but I don’t know what happened to it.

Somebody needs to listen to the voice of unhappy users, and improve the interface. The ignorance of this side, embedded in the application by authors, was never corrected.

Did you try gimpshop (a gimp interface clone of photoshop, and a fork of gimp) ?
PackMan :: Package details for gimpshop

I prefer gimp myself but you may find gimpshop is a friendly transition into gimp from photoshop.

Thanks, oldcpu, I didn’t know about that. I will see if this improves my handling.

The way GIMP is, for me it is simply wrong. I agree with malcolmlewis, he never used photoshop and learned gimp. But I used photoshop and a lot of other apps in late 90-ties. All of them have the same way of doing things. I find Gimp and Krita doing it other way around… No necessary. They are good programs, just to change interface.

In case you did not google on this, there is a good description on the gimpshop home page:
GIMPshop.com - A GIMP hack by Scott Moschella

Again, I now like the gimp interface, and find the photoshop counter intutive. But I’m not an advanced user, a lot boils down to what one is used to.

xara is pretty good works with vectors and bitmaps

Geoff

well, Gimpshop, on the image, has menus similar to photoshop, though shortcuts are not the same. Most of the things are done gimp way, but ultimately, far more friendly then standard gimp.
Hmm… I think I will have to investigate. There must be some software… or run photoshop from WINE

Photoshop in wine is a solution but the latest versions don’t work yet but cs2 works very well.

Geoff

Thats exactly what photoshop and other proprietary programs are, hammers that can only be swung one way. One Way and one way only.

The Gimp on the other hand being open source can be swung up, down, sideways…

Really sucks when those proprietary application/software companies achieve their goal of locking you into “one way” of doing things to the point that you will never conceive that their are other and better ways to do things.

For instance why can’t photoshop be changed to behave like other applications, because I don’t like the photoshop way of doing things.

The Gimp on the other hand can be made into whatever you want if you wish to change it. For instance gimpshop. PackMan :: Package details for gimpshop

> Am I the only one?

I find all versions of Photoshop TOTALLY illogical, unfriendly and therefore
unusable!

So, should I go to Adobe’s fora and suggest they throw it out and clone GIMP?

Read “Linux is not Windows” <http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm> and think
about where you are (and how much you PAY to be here).

Remember, if you do not like GIMP the way it is you are FREE to fork it and make
it exactly the way YOU want it–try that with Photoshop.

Free and open are a big words. (It can even be used to say: If you do not like
the open framework of GIMP you are free to use Photoshop…but, you have to PAY
to use it.)

First… this thread has nothing to do with Windows vs Linux. It’s a question into the UI of the Gimp, and Photoshop happens to be a comparison. Just because it happens to be a windows app, does not warrant the knee-jerk Windows-Vs-*nix debate.

Remember, if you do not like GIMP the way it is you are FREE to fork it and make
it exactly the way YOU want it–try that with Photoshop.

You hear this misguided line of thinking thrown around a lot. It’s probably the least meaningful argument you can use. Not every person is a developer, whereas the majority are simply the end-users. Telling the typical user “Go write your own” is just plain dumb.

Many many projects do well because they design based on the end-user’s needs. And many more fail because they don’t.

Free and open are a big words. (It can even be used to say: If you do not like
the open framework of GIMP you are free to use Photoshop…but, you have to PAY
to use it.)

Just because a project is free and open does not necessarily mean the project devs can’t listen to requests from their userbase. The Gimp UI debate has been loud for quite some time. And it’s only happened recently that the Gimp team has finally come to accept that perhaps their UI isn’t all that intuitive or easy to use, and has actually taken steps to form a team devoted exclusively to redesigning the UI.

Actually there is a way of getting involved without any programming skills
GIMP UI brainstorm
EDIT this one looks cool

Geoff

My intention was not to create flame, I am sorry if there are some people that look on the topic like that.
Simply, I thought I was out of the picture, but I am, fortunately, not.

Well, as I said, I will try to find some alternatives. If someone remembers one, please post :slight_smile:

Did you check out the link in my first post?

Geoff