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    Default Re: Update Error - REALLY?

    Quote Originally Posted by hcvv View Post
    But think at least twice before you decide to update system software unobserved My (very) personal idea is that it is not a wise thing to do.

    Without doubt there will sometime be a situation where some software is updated that a user is using at that moment in time. Something strange will happen and nobody will even think about the possibility that it was an update that broke the running session, because what is "automatic" will be forgotten about.
    I would say think thrice at least. I ran into a great deal of trouble with this 'patch'. Reverted and installed 15.3 , then patch came up again. I blocked the patch in YaST. Bad checking for this to happen immediately after release.
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    I also had this problem, but now it seems the conflicting patches have been multiplied.

    zypper up is able to apply a handful of patches after rejecting some 255 (at the time of this writing), and it also complains about missing valid metadata on some of the SUSE:SLE-15 repos (which were configured at the time of leap 15.3 installation).

    The output of my most recent zypper up is here: https://susepaste.org/41705368

    Best regards,

    Cezar

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    Default Re: Update Error - REALLY?

    Quote Originally Posted by cezartigaret View Post
    I also had this problem, but now it seems the conflicting patches have been multiplied.
    Yes, they have.

    My advice is to use only "zypper up" (at a root command line) for updating.

    It looks as if some SUSE patches are not compatible with openSUSE and cause problems. Using only "zypper up" avoids the patches and looks only at the package versions.

    I also had an invalid metadata issue this morning with the SUSE update repo, but it went after an hour or so. It was probably due to a mirror being not fully synchronized.
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    Well, now that the readline-doc vs. Bash error has been solved (I think), we have a new one: “the to be installed patch:SUSE-2020-3792-1.noarch conflicts with 'gzip.x86_64” (yes, there’s a stray ' there).

    Leap 15.3 is the first openSUSE version I’ve encountered that constantly seems to have conflicts with itself. Hopefully this will go away soon and we’ll get a stable platform again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperOscar View Post
    Well, now that the readline-doc vs. Bash error has been solved (I think), we have a new one: “the to be installed patch:SUSE-2020-3792-1.noarch conflicts with 'gzip.x86_64” (yes, there’s a stray ' there).

    Leap 15.3 is the first openSUSE version I’ve encountered that constantly seems to have conflicts with itself. Hopefully this will go away soon and we’ll get a stable platform again.
    Sit back and chill down!



    Leap 15.3 is stable. There are some conflicting patches. Never install all of them. Install what you need, if any.

    Since the initial release june 2nd I did some configuring and ran 'zypper update' several times without a single failure:
    Code:
    Leap-15-3:~ # zypper lr -uEP
    #  | Alias                 | Name                                                         | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | URI
    ---+-----------------------+--------------------------------------------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     5 | Kernel_stable         | Kernel builds for branch stable (standard)                   | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   50     | https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/
     1 | KDE-Applications      | KDE-Applications                                             | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   75     | https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Applications/KDE_Frameworks5_openSUSE_Leap_15.3
     2 | KDE-Extra             | KDE-Extra                                                    | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   75     | https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/KDE_Applications_openSUSE_Leap_15.3
     3 | KDE-Frameworks        | KDE-Frameworks                                               | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   75     | https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Frameworks5/openSUSE_Leap_15.3
     4 | KDE-Qt5               | KDE-Qt5                                                      | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   75     | https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Qt5/openSUSE_Leap_15.3
     6 | mozilla               | Mozilla based projects (openSUSE_Leap_15.3)                  | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   90     | https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_Leap_15.3/
     8 | packman               | packman                                                      | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   90     | http://ftp.fau.de/packman/suse/openSUSE_Leap_15.3/
     7 | openSUSE-Leap-15.3-1  | openSUSE-Leap-15.3-1                                         | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.3/repo/oss/
    10 | repo-backports-update | Update repository of openSUSE Backports                      | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | https://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.3/backports/
    15 | repo-non-oss          | Non-OSS Repository                                           | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.3/repo/non-oss/
    17 | repo-sle-update       | Update repository with updates from SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | https://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.3/sle
    19 | repo-update           | Hauptaktualisierungs-Repository                              | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.3/oss
    20 | repo-update-non-oss   | Aktualisierungs-Repository (Nicht-Open-Source-Software)      | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.3/non-oss/
    Leap-15-3:~ #
    Code:
    Operating System: openSUSE Leap 15.3
    KDE Plasma Version: 5.22.0
    KDE Frameworks Version: 5.82.0
    Qt Version: 5.15.2
    Kernel Version: 5.12.9-3.gf4da13e-default (64-bit)
    Graphics Platform: X11
    Processors: 8 × AMD Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Vega Graphics
    Memory: 29.3 GiB of RAM
    Graphics Processor: AMD Radeon™ Vega 11 Graphics
    Code:
    Leap-15-3:~ # zypper if MozillaFirefox
    Loading repository data...
    Reading installed packages...
    
    
    Information for package MozillaFirefox:
    ---------------------------------------
    Repository     : Mozilla based projects (openSUSE_Leap_15.3)
    Name           : MozillaFirefox
    Version        : 89.0-lp153.1.1
    Arch           : x86_64
    Vendor         : obs://build.opensuse.org/mozilla
    Installed Size : 212.5 MiB
    Installed      : Yes (automatically)
    Status         : up-to-date
    Source package : MozillaFirefox-89.0-lp153.1.1.src
    Summary        : Mozilla Firefox Web Browser
    Description    : 
        Mozilla Firefox is a standalone web browser, designed for standards
        compliance and performance.  Its functionality can be enhanced via a
        plethora of extensions.
    
    Leap-15-3:~ #
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    Quote Originally Posted by karlmistelberger View Post
    Since the initial release june 2nd I did some configuring and ran 'zypper update' several times without a single failure:
    Well, yeah, `zypper up` works as it seems simply to ignore the conflicting packages. Trouble is KDE Plasma’s Software Updates applet that keeps pushing those updates and then complains they cannot be installed.

    I can keep calm all right, but I wouldn’t recommend this release yet to “ordinary” people, who I usually advise to install every g*****n update the system pushes forward

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    Default Re: Update Error - REALLY?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperOscar View Post
    Trouble is KDE Plasma’s Software Updates applet that keeps pushing those updates and then complains they cannot be installed.
    You can turn off the update applet in System Tray Settings. I use "zypper up" twice a week, and it is doing fine.

    Apart from that, I expect this "problem" to be solved with the release of Leap 15.4 in about 1 year from now. By then, they should have worked out what is going wrong and have a plan to avoid it. In the meantime, things are mostly going well - as long as we stay with "zypper up" for updating.
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    Maybe you can add a lock, zypper al -t patch SUSE-* while the problem are fixed so if you use zypper patch for mistake, there's no conflict
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    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    You can turn off the update applet in System Tray Settings. I use "zypper up" twice a week, and it is doing fine.

    Apart from that, I expect this "problem" to be solved with the release of Leap 15.4 in about 1 year from now. By then, they should have worked out what is going wrong and have a plan to avoid it. In the meantime, things are mostly going well - as long as we stay with "zypper up" for updating.
    This kind of misses the point of the reason I went to suse and openSuse Leap in the first place: Stability and ease of use. If it wasn't finished, maybe it should not have been released. My 86 year old Mom is running a copy of the last version of Leap and likely stay on it until support is gone. With the updating GUI widget completely useless, she can no longer maintain her setup on her own for 15.3.

    I understand that this is a volunteer effort, but this type of thing is problematic for normal users that don't want to become Linux gurus. They want to access zoom calls, read books on-line, watch movies or listen to music, send e-mail and browse the web. The systems I've built for people enable them to do that without either paying the Microsoft tax or buying state-of-the-art hardware. I thought I was helping them but now I'm not so sure I have. For some of these folks I have to help them remember or reset passwords on a pretty regular basis. Now I have to make sure they know the commands to update their system on a fairly regular basis instead of having the system monitor that status for them.

    Breaking the KDE updater widget hasn't exactly done anyone a favor. I will help those I was trying to before but this really as made my efforts for family and friends harder than it was. If it was just my system I wouldn't mind so much. Now I have to explain how to use the command line for folks that didn't have to going back most of a decade.
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