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    Default Some openSUSE-12.3 experiences on different hardware

    I installed the 32-bit openSUSE 12.3 from DVD onto my ancient custom PC with MSI motherboard, athlon-1100+ cpu, 2GB RAM and an ancient nvidia FX5200 graphic card. I played with RC1 and RC2 of 12.3 so I more or less knew what to expect. The nouveau driver does not work with this FX5200 ever since the start of the 3.7.x kernel so an install chosing the KMS setting was necessary. That resulted in an install with the VESA driver in use. Fortunately I was able to get the proprietary 173.14.36 nvidia driver to work after putting in a symbolic link and applying a patch to the driver (which I blogged about here on the 173.14.36 driver patch for openSUSE).

    It took two attempts to setup my Network printer, as one of the HPLIP drivers for my HP All-In-One Photosmart Premium C309a is broken, and per Murphy's Law I picked the broken one first. The network scanning function of that printer worked well the first install attempt.

    Sound worked, albeit playing the higher definition videos with this old PC does not work well, even with the proprietary graphic driver.

    Below is the inxi -F output from this pc
    Code:
    oldcpu@mini:~> inxi -F
    Resuming in non X mode: glxinfo not found. For package install advice run: inxi --recommends
    System:    Host: mini.darmstadt Kernel: 3.7.10-1.1-default i686 (32 bit) 
               Desktop LXDE (Openbox 3.5.0) Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (i586) VERSION = 12.3 CODENAME = Dartmouth
    Machine:   Mobo: N/A model: N/A Bios: N/A version: N/A date: N/A
    CPU:       Single core AMD Athlon (-UP-) cache: 256 KB flags: (sse) clocked at 1149.968 MHz 
    Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] 
               X.org: 1.13.2 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,nv,vesa,nouveau) Resolution: 154x49 
    Audio:     Card-1: Ensoniq 5880B [AudioPCI] driver: snd_ens1371 Sound: ALSA ver: k3.7.10-1.1-default
               Card-2: VIA VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller driver: snd_via82xx
    Network:   Card-1: Atheros AR5212/AR5213 Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath5k 
               IF: wlan0 state: down mac: 00:11:95:91:76:f5
               Card-2: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ driver: 8139too 
               IF: eth0 state: unknown speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:50:fc:5f:ba:6d
    Drives:    HDD Total Size: 484.0GB (1.1% used) 1: /dev/sda ST3320620A 320.1GB 
               2: /dev/sdb Maxtor_6Y160P0 163.9GB 
    Partition: ID: / size: 25G used: 4.9G (21%) fs: ext4 ID: /home size: 28G used: 314M (2%) fs: ext4 
               ID: swap-1 size: 2.85GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap ID: swap-2 size: 1.04GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
    Sensors:   Error: You do not have the sensors app installed.
    Info:      Processes: 103 Uptime: 0:20 Memory: 384.6/2017.6MB Runlevel: ? Client: Shell inxi: 1.7.24
    The above resolution is reported incorrectly. Actual resolution achieved with this NV34 (FX5200) graphic card is 1600x1200 with this FX5200 - which is correct. On this PC I have not yet installed the 'mesa' app/package necessary to get GLXgears / glxfino so that may be part of the reason why there was a bad resolution reported.

    In summary , aside from the nouveau driver upstream problem, I note openSUSE-12.3 runs ok on this hardware and I'm happy thus far

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    Next I installed the 64-bit openSUSE-12.3 GM from the DVD on my Dell Studio 1537 laptop (Core2 Duo P8400 CPU, w/4GB RAM and Radeon HD3450 graphics). Previous this laptop had openSUSE-12.2 with a KDE desktop, and I chose the same this time, keeping the same /home.

    Installation was straightforward. I had the same network printer hiccup (it took two tries to get the right printer driver). Wireless also did not 'just' work and I had to go in to YaST Network Devices and then go back to the KDE desktop Network manager to get the wireless running.

    But overall, all appears to be running well now. I have Skype, Virtual Box, Chrome browser, and also various 3rd party packman packaged apps installed.

    Below is the output of "inxi -F" from this successful install.

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    System:    Host: dell.darmstadt Kernel: 3.7.10-1.1-desktop x86_64 (64 bit) 
               Desktop KDE 4.10.00 Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) VERSION = 12.3 CODENAME = Dartmouth
    Machine:   System: Dell (portable) product: Studio 1537 version: A09
               Mobo: Dell model: 0P132H version: A09 Bios: Dell version: A09 date: 05/27/2009
    CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU P8400 (-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx) 
               Clock Speeds: 1: 2267.00 MHz 2: 800.00 MHz
    Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV620 [Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series] 
               X.Org: 1.13.2 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1440x900@60.0hz 
               GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV620 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 9.0.2
    Audio:     Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV620 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 3400 Series] driver: snd_hda_intel
               Card-2: Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
               Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.7.10-1.1-desktop
    Network:   Card-1: Broadcom NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3 
               IF: eth0 state: down speed: 4294967295 Mbps duplex: unknown mac: 00:21:70:85:8d:be
               Card-2: Intel Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 driver: iwlwifi 
               IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:16:ea:ed:80:76
    Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (51.6% used) 1: /dev/sda ST9250421ASG 250.1GB 
    Partition: ID: / size: 20G used: 6.3G (34%) fs: ext4 ID: /home size: 131G used: 114G (93%) fs: ext3 
               ID: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
    Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 49.0C mobo: 45.0C 
               Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
    Info:      Processes: 144 Uptime: 0:25 Memory: 518.8/3927.7MB Client: Shell inxi: 1.7.24
    This will likely be my last openSUSE install on this laptop (if all goes well) as my wife plans to give this laptop away to a friend of hers (who has a family) this summer, after I purchase an Ultrabook this spring.
    Last edited by oldcpu; 13-Mar-2013 at 11:16.

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    I next installed the 64-bit openSUSE-12.3 GM from DVD (KDE desktop) on a test partition on my main PC (an Asus P6T Deluxe V2 with an Intel Core i7-920 , 6GB RAM, and GTX260 graphic card). Installation was fairly smooth. Sound worked. Graphics with the nouveau driver worked (with 1920x1200 nominal max resolution). Nouveau performance is good. This motherboard has 2 ethernet devices and neither was automatically configured during the install. I had to go to YaST after the install to do a very basic setup, after which I had internet access on the PC.

    This time in setting up the Network printer, I managed to select the correct printer driver the first time. Network scanning worked. My Logitech C910 webcam worked (testing it with guvcview).

    I stayed with the legacy grub on this install.

    This is likely the last openSUSE-12.3 install I do for a while, until my wife gives me authorisation to put 12.3 on her PC. ... In June this year I plan to fly to Canada to visit my mother, and when I do I plan to put openSUSE-12.3 on her PC (replacing the openSUSE-12.1 that is on her PC now).
    Code:
    oldcpu@corei7:~> inxi -F
    System:    Host: corei7-920.darmstadt Kernel: 3.7.10-1.1-desktop x86_64 (64 bit) 
               Desktop KDE 4.10.00 Distro: openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) VERSION = 12.3 CODENAME = Dartmouth
    Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: P6T DELUXE V2 version: Rev 1.xx Bios: American Megatrends version: 1108 date: 09/21/2010
    CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7 CPU 920 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) 
               Clock Speeds: 1: 1600.00 MHz 2: 1600.00 MHz 3: 1600.00 MHz 4: 2668.00 MHz 5: 2668.00 MHz 6: 1600.00 MHz 7: 1600.00 MHz 8: 1600.00 MHz
    Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT200 [GeForce GTX 260] 
               X.Org: 1.13.2 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,nv,vesa) Resolution: 1920x1200@60.0hz 
               GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVA0 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 9.0.2
    Audio:     Card-1: Intel 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
               Card-2: Logitech HD Webcam C910 driver: USB Audio
               Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.7.10-1.1-desktop
    Network:   Card-1: Marvell 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2 
               IF: eth1 state: down speed: 65535 Mbps duplex: unknown mac: 00:24:8c:7e:ee:38
               Card-2: Marvell 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2 
               IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:24:8c:7e:ee:39
    Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1500.3GB (79.7% used) 1: /dev/sda ST31500341AS 1500.3GB 
    Partition: ID: / size: 15G used: 6.6G (48%) fs: ext4 ID: /home size: 34G used: 290M (1%) fs: ext4 
               ID: swap-1 size: 6.82GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
    Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 50.0C mobo: 48.0C gpu: 0.0 
               Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 1171 psu: 0 sys-1: 0 sys-2: 0 sys-3: 0 
    Info:      Processes: 188 Uptime: 0:05 Memory: 506.7/5972.4MB Client: Shell inxi: 1.7.24
    I'm still running the nouveau driver, and I have not decided if I will update to the propietary nvidia driver.

    Again, overall openSUSE-12.3 is running well on this hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    I next installed the 64-bit openSUSE-12.3 GM from DVD (KDE desktop) on a test partition on my main PC...
    Was the speaker volume muted (KMix) when you finished the install?

    Mine was with RC1, and it seemed to come back again after I applied some package changes (packman IIRC) yesterday after bringing it from RC2 to final. Easily dealt with, but still a gremlin.

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    Since S.u.S.E. 5.3, I've always waited a little before installing a new release, but this time I couldn't resist the eye
    candy of openSUSE 12.3 and starting downloading the ISO within the first minute of the official release time today. My
    hardware is similar to yours (i7 Bloomfield, X58 chipset, Nvidia GPU using 1920x1200 resolution) and I also installed
    the KDE version.

    I noticed the installer has received specific attention from the moment those overlapping green wait bars appeared at
    the bottom. And I really liked the dark colour theme. Apart from spending 4-5 minutes trying to find my Linux
    partitions, the installation (from scratch, not upgrade) went very smoothly. I bit the bullet and opted for GRUB2 rather
    than Legacy. Following my openSUSE 12.2 experience with GRUB2, I was expecting to discover rubbish resolutions for the
    virtual consoles - happily my expectations were wrong.

    After booting for the first time, `zypper up' only wanted 3 packages. When I loaded Firefox, the mouse started to
    stutter and then the system crashed requiring a hard restart. I guessed this was a nouveau driver issue, so I installed
    Nvidia's proprietry driver (310.40). After rebooting, the virtual consoles were at 800x600 resolutions as I experienced
    with openSUSE 12.2's GRUB2, but the consoles' resolutions were easily changed within YaST's bootloader configuration
    tool to a sensible 1600x1200 (although I guess 1920x1200 is out of the question). Firefox worked fine when I next tested
    it.

    Unsurpringingly, all my favorite console software (slrn, mutt, irssi, sc, cmus, lynx, etc...) installed fine and run
    well under openSUSE 12.3. I'm about to play about with installing and running some X-reliant software, and test the
    performance of the new kernel with low-level stuff, but so far I've been impressed. The desktop looks gorgeous and I
    don't where to start exploring this new KDE version.

    So positives:

    1. Installation process the most polished I've seen from any Linux distro yet.
    2. GRUB2 TTY issues are (at least from my experience so far) resolved.
    3. I've noticed that openSUSE 12.3's repos have been expanded with some very useful new inclusions.
    4. Desktop look gorgeous. The dark theme is so much more easy on the eye compared to the pale sickly green.

    .... the only negatives I can think of are:

    1. Some things that should installed routinely (e.g. pavucontrol) still are not.
    2. There seem to be issues with Firefox and the nouveau driver.
    3. I'm going to miss GRUB Legacy's penguins around Christmas time.
    4. There's still no background image on TTY1 - I imagine this is a plymouth vs bootsplash issue.

    I think the openSUSE team have excelled themselves this time and are to be warmly congratulated by the community. I've
    only scratched the surface of this release but I can already see a lot of intelligent work under the bonnet that's made
    things just so more convenient without having to stumble into brick walls. And the eye candy is just fabulous.
    Usually I have an all-black desktop, but I might, just might, stick with default dark wallpaper with Geeko peering from
    the vines...


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    Hi OldCPU,

    Thanks for the posts, and for the great advice at https://forums.opensuse.org/blogs/ol...r-kernels-125/ and info on patching the Nvidia drivers for 3.7 and 3.8 kernels.

    I've upgraded from 12.2 to 12.3 and am running into the following when patching the Nvidia installer:

    Code:
    ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-310.19.run --apply-patch patch_nvidia_310.19.run_for_3.7
    However running ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-310.19-custom.run results in:

    Code:
    ERROR: If you are using a Linux 2.4 kernel, please make sure
             you either have configured kernel sources matching your
             kernel or the correct set of kernel headers installed
             on your system.
     
             If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
             you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
             installed on your system. If you specified a separate
             output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
             the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
             directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with
             the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.
    
             Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the
             kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify
             their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or
             the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.

    I've prepared the kernel sources with

    Code:
    cd /usr/src/linux
    make cloneconfig 
    make scripts
    make prepare
    And I've sym linked the version.h header

    Code:
    cd /lib/modules/3.7.10-1.1-desktop/build/include/
    ln -s generated/uapi/linux
    Kernels installed:

    Code:
    # rpm -qa | grep kernel
    kernel-firmware-20130114git-1.2.1.noarch
    kernel-desktop-devel-3.7.10-1.1.1.x86_64
    kernel-desktop-3.7.10-1.1.1.x86_64
    kernel-source-3.7.10-1.1.1.noarch
    kernel-default-devel-3.7.10-1.1.1.x86_64
    patterns-openSUSE-devel_kernel-12.3-7.10.1.x86_64
    kernel-syms-3.7.10-1.1.1.x86_64
    kernel-devel-3.7.10-1.1.1.noarch
    kernel-xen-devel-3.7.10-1.1.1.x86_64
    
    # rpm -qa | grep glibc
    glibc-devel-2.17-4.4.1.x86_64

    If I try to use an un-patched 310.40 it also fails, but if I specify the kernel source it at least build the module

    Code:
    ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-310.40.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux
    But then fails with

    Code:
    -> Kernel module compilation complete.
    ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This happens most frequently when this kernel module was built against the wrong or improperly configured kernel sources, with a version of gcc that differs from the one used to build the target kernel, or if a driver such as rivafb, nvidiafb, or nouveau is present and prevents the NVIDIA kernel module from obtaining ownership of the NVIDIA graphics device(s), or NVIDIA GPU installed in this system is not supported by this NVIDIA Linux graphics driver release.
    ...
    [42277.740034] nvidia: no symbol version for module_layout
    ERROR: Installation has failed.  Please see the file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com.
    However, specifying the source path, with the patched version, it does not even build the module and fails as above.

    Perplexing.

    Might you have any suggestions?

    Thank you,
    Lews Therin

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    Quote Originally Posted by consused View Post
    Was the speaker volume muted (KMix) when you finished the install?
    Mine was with RC1, and it seemed to come back again after I applied some package changes (packman IIRC) yesterday after bringing it from RC2 to final. Easily dealt with, but still a gremlin.
    Fortunately sound 'just worked' . Even on my PC with 2 sound devices, it worked fine and I was able to switch between the two device easily for each application, using pavucontrol.


    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    Since S.u.S.E. 5.3, I've always waited a little before installing a new release,
    In truth I am the same way. While I did put openSUSE-12.3 on the main partition on my Dell Studio laptop, ... it was only on that PC. On my other two installs (my main PC and my sandbox PC) I put openSUSE-12.3 on a test partition. I am running openSUSE-12.1 on both of those PCs, and before May this year I plan to update their main partitions to either 12.2 or 12.3.

    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    Apart from spending 4-5 minutes trying to find my Linux partitions,
    Thats an interesting observation. On my Dell Studio laptop (250GB drive) and my Sandbox PC (two hard drives, one being 500GB and the other 350GB) finding the Linux partitions was relatively fast (maybe 1 minute max). But on my Main PC, with a 1.5 TB drive, it took over 20 minutes of just sitting there . If it was not for the fact I saw similar behaviour on 12.2 (all milestones/RC/GM version) and now 12.2 (all milestones, RCs and now GM version) I would have thought the install failed. But no failure - just lots of patience needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    the installation (from scratch, not upgrade) went very smoothly. I bit the bullet and opted for GRUB2 rather than Legacy.
    I put grub2 on my Dell Studio laptop, and legacy grub on my Sandbox and Main PCs.

    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    When I loaded Firefox, the mouse started to stutter and then the system crashed requiring a hard restart. I guessed this was a nouveau driver issue, so I installed Nvidia's proprietry driver (310.40). After rebooting, the virtual consoles were at 800x600 resolutions as I experienced with openSUSE 12.2's GRUB2, but the consoles' resolutions were easily changed within YaST's bootloader configuration
    tool to a sensible 1600x1200 (although I guess 1920x1200 is out of the question).
    Virtual consoles ? I' don't undertand what you mean.

    I note nouveau driver does not work with the almost ancient NV34 (FX5200) on my Sandbox PC, but that it works superbly on my Main PCs nVidia GTX260 graphics. I have not tried the properietary driver on my GTX260 hardware. What method did you employ to update to the proprietary nvidia graphic driver ?

    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    Usually I have an all-black desktop, but I might, just might, stick with default dark wallpaper with Geeko peering from the vines...
    I usually have a white/grey desktop, but I too am tempted by the dark wall paper implementation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LewsTherinTelemon View Post
    However running ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-310.19-custom.run results in:

    Code:
              ERROR: If you are using a Linux 2.4 kernel, please make sure
             you either have configured kernel sources matching your
             kernel or the correct set of kernel headers installed
             on your system.
     
             If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure
             you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel
             installed on your system. If you specified a separate
             output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or
             the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this
             directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with
             the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.
    
             Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the
             kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify
             their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or
             the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option.
    I'm wondering if you need to put in place a symbolic link to solve this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    4. Desktop look gorgeous. The dark theme is so much more easy on the eye compared to the pale sickly green.
    It's black, aka the graveyard theme. You must love consoles. Leaving aside your dislike of green, why do you think that scientific instrument panels, for many decades, have been presented in easy-on-the-eye neutral colours? Where users are in front of them for many hours daily. They are more restful on the eye.

    Never mine eye-candy, think eye-strain. Green screens are better for your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    Fortunately sound 'just worked' . Even on my PC with 2 sound devices, it worked fine and I was able to switch between the two device easily for each application, using pavucontrol.
    Well, yes my sound just worked after clicking off the mute. Pavucontrol wouldn't have helped that. For one sound chip to a single stereo speaker set, KMix/Phonon works perfectly well

    Haven't seen this mute issue for many releases on this notebook. It used to be a bug around the very early 11.x series. Oh well, perhaps it won't return again.

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