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    Default request for better Wiki - Forums integration

    The problem: Trying to solve problems with your openSUSE installation there are a number of possible entries you can search for hints:
    1. forums.opensuse.org
    2. mail lists
    3. wiki.opensuse.org
    4. bugs at bugzilla.novell.com
    5. openFate requests at features.opensuse.org
    ...
    When testing factory - milestones using the wiki often is outdated. Even hints for stable releases are sometimes out of date. Using the forums is even harder: You'll find some not working / out dated / not answered / chit-chat.

    My wish for a better integration of the wiki and the forums:
    1. One sticky thread on top of each forum with an index of related wiki pages
    2. People in the forums adopting a page of the sticky index starting a not sticky thread.

    Regarding 2. :
    All users are allowed to edit the wiki, but we don't, we have to much respect, being unsure, if it might be somehow wrong what we think. If there is an adopter of a wiki page starting a thread in the related forum a normal user could suggest a wiki change. Or the user might even have the courage to edit the wiki leaving a note in the related thread.

    Should a WikiPage adopters thread (like: "WP - XXX configurations") be a sticky one?
    The thread will change to top position automaticly and you will see when changes of wiki pages happen in the forums, if adopters comment...

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    Default Re: request for better Wiki - Forums integration

    On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:26:01 +0000, ulenrich wrote:

    > My wish for a better integration of the wiki and the forums: 1. One
    > sticky thread on top of each forum with an index of related wiki pages
    > 2. People in the forums adopting a page of the sticky index starting a
    > not sticky thread.


    Sticky threads could be set up, but there would need to be maintenance of
    those - that would be a good project for the community to undertake, I
    think.

    There is a wiki forum where content is discussed before posted (as I
    understand it, I don't follow it that closely).

    Tighter integration may be possible if there are RSS feeds from the wiki,
    but anything that involved custom coding on the forums side would be
    unlikely to be implemented (see the sticky in this forum for the reasons
    why).

    Jim

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    Default Re: request for better Wiki - Forums integration

    Tighter integration may be possible if there are RSS feeds from the wiki,
    but anything that involved custom coding on the forums side would be
    unlikely to be implemented
    I request:
    1. NO technical change
    2. encouraging people in the forums to adopt wiki pages

    There is a wiki forum where content is discussed before posted (as I understand it, I don't follow it that closely).
    I recommend to NOT discuss the wiki content behind bars / extra mailing lists / extra forums....

    I hate never changing sticky threads. There should be at maximum one sticky per forum.

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    Wink Re: request for better Wiki - Forums integration

    Quote Originally Posted by ulenrich View Post
    I request:
    1. NO technical change
    I do:
    "Calendar" in the new "Basic" style - openSUSE Forums
    Quote Originally Posted by ulenrich View Post
    2. encouraging people in the forums to adopt wiki pages
    I agree with you.
    Quote Originally Posted by ulenrich View Post
    I recommend to NOT discuss the wiki content behind bars / extra mailing lists / extra forums....
    In my opinion it is much simpler: The wiki-forum would be the fitting place to discuss changes in the wiki - like intergrating the forums (and example given their HOW-TOs) better in the wiki (e. g. under See Also) not the other way round.
    Quote Originally Posted by ulenrich View Post
    I hate never changing sticky threads. There should be at maximum one sticky per forum.
    How many people read three or more sticky theads or even HOW-TOs before posting? I think their propose is mostly to give hard working forum admins a possibility to shorten most/some of their answers by referring to them . They are the real FAQ.

    Greetings
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    Lightbulb Re: request for better Wiki - Forums integration

    My opinion:

    OpenFATE, openSUSE wiki and novells bugzilla should be coordinated better in general (instead of parallel or double work).

    These three and the forums could be integrated just a bit more - especially concerning to the "forums"'s new style. Maybe the place of:

    Forums FAQ Community Calendar
    could be used better with something like that and links to the How-To's.

    This "FAQ" are more (like) conditions and should be linked with/beneath the privacy statement.

    pistazienfresser

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    Default Re: request for better Wiki - Forums integration

    pistazienfresser wrote:
    > OpenFATE, openSUSE wiki and novells bugzilla should be coordinated
    > better in general (instead of parallel or double work).


    define "coordinated"..

    that is, do you mean color coordinated, design and layout consistent
    across all....or what?


    > These three and the forums could be integrated just a bit more -
    > especially concerning to the "forums"'s new style.


    again, what do you mean by "integrated"? are you suggesting a more
    consistent appearance, or more links from the forums to the wiki, or what?

    before you answer, if you look to the left do you see a link to the
    wiki? are you suggesting there should also be a link to bugzilla, or ...?


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    Default Re: request for better Wiki - Forums integration

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post

    before you answer, if you look to the left do you see a link to the
    wiki?
    Using openSUSE 11.2, GNOME 2.28 and firefox 3.5.9:

    In the new style "Basic" - no (was a bit happy about more place for the text of the postings - was that not planned so???).
    If I switch to the old style "Default" - yes.

    What style and what browser do you use? (or a newsreader?)

    I found now in the new-wiki-version quite something like that I was hoping for:

    All upper Menus link to a paragraph of http://wiki.opensuse.org/Main_Page
    like http://wiki.opensuse.org/Main_Page#Support

    Greetings
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    Default Re: request for better Wiki - Forums integration

    pistazienfresser wrote:
    > In the new style "Basic" - *no* (was a bit happy about more place for
    > the text of the postings - was that not planned so???).
    > If I switch to the old style "Default" - *yes*.


    wow...i had no idea someone had decided to lose the side
    nav-bar...and, i'm not sure that was an intentional decision or an
    oversight....(and, it is hard to tell)..


    > What style and what browser do you use? (or a 'newsreader?'
    > (http://forums.opensuse.org/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_nntp))


    i normally use Thunderbird (for speed and preference) but when i wanna
    see the web's bells i use Firefox and the default skin..

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