is this normal? 
No it isnāt 
Could You post the output of
zypper lr -u
theprinciple wrote:
> is this normal?
define āto initializeāā¦that is, it takes 10 minutes from clicking on
YaST until the FIRST window pops upā¦or it is 10 minutes from
click YaST, THEN Software Management, then the search for software
window is usableā¦if the latter, then the answer to your āis this
normalā question is:
maybeā¦it depends on (for example) if you are on a 28.8 dial modem,
on an old computer, with 500 MB ram, running SETI in the background,
during the first 15 minutes after booting, with beagle indexing, with
desktop effects turned on and cube rotating, while streaming a youtube
clipā¦
none of which you told us about your setupā¦
OR, since the length of YaSTās initializing phase is VERY dependent on
reaching ALL the repos and comparing ALL of their contents to ALL of
your installed bits (so it knows what needs to be updated)ā¦well, if
one of (or all) of those repoās servers is pretty busy it could take
some seconds (or minutes) to fetch that ONE listā¦and, YaST fetches
each repoās list and then moves to the next oneā¦so, just ONE really
busy/slow repo server is gonna have a GREAT affect on the ātime to
initalizeāā¦
how many repos are you refreshing?
do you let YaST auto-pick from the servers available (using the
default address of: http://download.opensuse.org/) which often gets
clogged up with users or have you picked a near, and usually fast
serving mirror? you might find one nearby from this list:
http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/all.html
i just checked my YaST, somedays it is pretty slow, but TODAY it was
five seconds from first click until i could click on Software
Management, and then it was fully āinitalizedā and ready for a search
in less than ONE minute, total (but, i have no beagle, no youtube
streaming, no cron running, only FOUR repos to search and iāve
selected a mirror from a university about 40 miles awayā¦
sorry the answer was so long, but you provided so little information
about exactly what you were asking, and what your are running, etc
that a short answer like the following was impossible: yes or no.
ā
brassy
āUnknown option -uā
Thatās all I get :sarcastic:
Brassy
You make some good points. I assumed that more questions would come, and since I am only a few degrees above a newbie to this, I wasnāt sure what info to include.
The āinitializationā I am talking about occurs after I click on āSoftware managementā. It proceeds to check repos etc. That is what takes at least ten solid minutes every time.
Iām on a cable internet connection. I have 1 gb of ram. When I initialize Yast I have no other programs running. As for background processes, that it another good question. Iām pretty sure Iāve disabled beagle because of how it slows things down, beyond that, I donāt know but I suspect that there are A LOT of processes that I could remove. But where to start. I have run yast at many different times and whether it is withing the first 15 minutes after booting or not, the 10 minute initialization is the same.
My guess is that my repos are at least the partial culprits. I added repos to yast so that I could get software and updates for things that werenāt included in the basic repos. Here they all are (it is very possible that I have redundancies due to an incomplete understanding of all this) (also, the ones with stars were added after I posted this question because Iām considering moving to the Smart package manager)
- 10.3-oss
- The Smart Package Manager Project
- 10.3-non-oss
- Packman Repository
- openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla
- Main Update Repository
- Main Repository (NON-OSS)
- 10.3 - VideoLan
- Main Repository (OSS)
I have tried solving this problem by adding and removing various repos, which no solid results, But it is very possible I wasnāt choosing the right repos to modify.
question: What is the average initialization time for your yast?
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:26:01 GMT, theprinciple
<theprinciple@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
>
>Brassy
>You make some good points. I assumed that more questions would come,
>and since I am only a few degrees above a newbie to this, I wasnāt sure
>what info to include.
>
>The āinitializationā I am talking about occurs after I click on
>āSoftware managementā. It proceeds to check repos etc. That is what
>takes at least ten solid minutes every time.
>
>Iām on a cable internet connection. I have 1 gb of ram. When I
>initialize Yast I have no other programs running. As for background
>processes, that it another good question. Iām pretty sure Iāve disabled
>beagle because of how it slows things down, beyond that, I donāt know
>but I suspect that there are A LOT of processes that I could remove. But
>where to start. I have run yast at many different times and whether it
>is withing the first 15 minutes after booting or not, the 10 minute
>initialization is the same.
>
>My guess is that my repos are at least the partial culprits. I added
>repos to yast so that I could get software and updates for things that
>werenāt included in the basic repos. Here they all are (it is very
>possible that I have redundancies due to an incomplete understanding of
>all this) (also, the ones with stars were added -after- I posted this
>question because Iām considering moving to the Smart package manager)
>- 10.3-oss
>* The Smart Package Manager Project
>- 10.3-non-oss
>- Packman Repository
>- openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla
>- Main Update Repository
>- Main Repository (NON-OSS)
>- 10.3 - VideoLan
>- Main Repository (OSS)
>
>I have tried solving this problem by adding and removing various repos,
>which no solid results, But it is very possible I wasnāt choosing the
>right repos to modify.
>
>question: What is the average initialization time for your yast?
OK.
Running Suse 10.3 on this machine, 1 GiB ram, megabit DSL;
Time from selecting yast to password screen between 1 and 2 seconds;
time from entering password to main yast screen between 1 and 2
seconds;
time from selecting software management to ready to use about 100
seconds.
| Enabled | Refresh | Type | Alias | Name
āĀ±--------Ā±--------Ā±-------Ā±------------------------------------------------------------------Ā±-------------------------
1 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/debug/_1 |
Main Repository (DEBUG)
2 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/non-oss/ |
Main Repository (NON-OSS)
3 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/src-oss/suse/ |
Main Repository (Sources)
4 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md | http://www2.ati.com/suse/10.3 | ATI
Repository
5 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md | openSUSE-10.3-Updates |
openSUSE-10.3-Updates
6 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/ |
Main Repository (OSS)
7 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.3/ |
Packman Repository
I think i am going to turn off the ATI, source, and debug
repositories.
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:48:50 GMT, āJosephKKā<quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:26:01 GMT, theprinciple
><theprinciple@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>Brassy
>>You make some good points. I assumed that more questions would come,
>>and since I am only a few degrees above a newbie to this, I wasnāt sure
>>what info to include.
>>
>>The āinitializationā I am talking about occurs after I click on
>>āSoftware managementā. It proceeds to check repos etc. That is what
>>takes at least ten solid minutes every time.
>>
>>Iām on a cable internet connection. I have 1 gb of ram. When I
>>initialize Yast I have no other programs running. As for background
>>processes, that it another good question. Iām pretty sure Iāve disabled
>>beagle because of how it slows things down, beyond that, I donāt know
>>but I suspect that there are A LOT of processes that I could remove. But
>>where to start. I have run yast at many different times and whether it
>>is withing the first 15 minutes after booting or not, the 10 minute
>>initialization is the same.
>>
>>My guess is that my repos are at least the partial culprits. I added
>>repos to yast so that I could get software and updates for things that
>>werenāt included in the basic repos. Here they all are (it is very
>>possible that I have redundancies due to an incomplete understanding of
>>all this) (also, the ones with stars were added -after- I posted this
>>question because Iām considering moving to the Smart package manager)
>>- 10.3-oss
>>* The Smart Package Manager Project
>>- 10.3-non-oss
>>- Packman Repository
>>- openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla
>>- Main Update Repository
>>- Main Repository (NON-OSS)
>>- 10.3 - VideoLan
>>- Main Repository (OSS)
>>
>>I have tried solving this problem by adding and removing various repos,
>>which no solid results, But it is very possible I wasnāt choosing the
>>right repos to modify.
>>
>>question: What is the average initialization time for your yast?
>
>OK.
>Running Suse 10.3 on this machine, 1 GiB ram, megabit DSL;
>Time from selecting yast to password screen between 1 and 2 seconds;
>time from entering password to main yast screen between 1 and 2
>seconds;
>time from selecting software management to ready to use about 100
>seconds.
>
># | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Alias | Name
>āĀ±--------Ā±--------Ā±-------Ā±------------------------------------------------------------------Ā±-------------------------
>1 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
>http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/debug/_1 |
>Main Repository (DEBUG)
>2 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
>http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/non-oss/ |
>Main Repository (NON-OSS)
>3 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |
>http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/src-oss/suse/ |
>Main Repository (Sources)
>4 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md | http://www2.ati.com/suse/10.3 | ATI
>Repository
>5 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md | openSUSE-10.3-Updates |
>openSUSE-10.3-Updates
>6 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
>http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:10.3/standard/ |
>Main Repository (OSS)
>7 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |
>http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.3/ |
>Packman Repository
>
>I think i am going to turn off the ATI, source, and debug
>repositories.
Update after turning off ATI, source and debug; SW management to ready
is about 35 seconds.
> - 10.3-oss
> * The Smart Package Manager Project
> - 10.3-non-oss
> - Packman Repository
> - openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla
> - Main Update Repository
> - Main Repository (NON-OSS)
> - 10.3 - VideoLan
> - Main Repository (OSS)
first, i suggest you disable (that is remove the x next to āEnabledā)
and do not automatically refresh (that is, remove the x next to that)
for ALL of the above except:
Main Repository (NON-OSS)
Main Repository (OSS)
Packman Repository
openSUSE-10.3 Updates
leave it that way for now, and NORMALLYā¦unless you have specific
need to for other repos, and understand the problems (and know how to
fix them) you can introduce with the other distrosā¦[let me say it
another way: the less you drag in from other source the MORE stable
and usable your system will be]
second: where are you located? if after you have done the above, i ask
you to time the initialization again and see if there is any
improvementā¦THEN, try it again sometime between 11 PM and 7 AM your
local timeā¦
if there is a great change in the time it takes between your normal
access time and the middle of the night you have just run into a
server which may be throttled (or over busy) during your normal hoursā¦
in which case it is not a āproblemā with YaST, but somewhere elseā¦
you might find some relief the way i do: click on Software Management
then go immediately to Firefox and read an interesting article on some
top notch newspaper somewhere in the worldā¦usually, LONG before i
ready to stop reading YaST is waiting on me (vs the other way
around)ā¦you might wanna use youtube or whateverā¦
another way is to try to find a less busy and/or closer server INSIDE
your own countryā¦i know for a fact that many of the university
servers in Germany (for example) which host mirrors throttle the
access speed to their mirror for ALL requests which come from IPS
outside Germanyā¦(that is, they throttle during the normal
class/business hours in their locale)ā¦
so, go to http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/all.html and run down the
list of nearby servers which have 10.3 sections, and try oneā¦i used
to use the one in Denmark (where i live) but they recently stopped
carrying 10.3 <sigh>
ā
brassy
*
>> zypper lr -u
>
> āUnknown option -uā
you are using openSUSE 10.3 and the questioning poster is using 11.x,
the command line switches changedā¦
ā
brassy
Brassy:
re: different suse versions
makes sense
Ok I disabled all the oneās you suggested (except the SMART one, for now. If it ends up still going slow, Iāll disable that one too)
Iām started initializing. So far its been about 3 minutes. Iāll let you know how long it takes.
Iām in Indiana. Itās about 4 pm here right now.
Iām used to the really fast package managers of ubuntu and other debian based systems, so Yast is just a bit frustrating. Iāve tried Smart and it does seem to go a lot faster, but the interface isnāt as nice.
Thanks for your help.
Iāve turned off all except:
-Main Repository (NON-OSS)
-Main Repository (OSS)
-Packman Repository
-openSUSE-10.3 Updates
-Smart Package Manager Project
Iām waiting to see if it helps. Usually itās ten minutes from clicking Software Management. Right now Iām on 8 minutes
ps. Iām posting this from a different computer so as to allow yast all system resources