I will respectfully disagree that citing DEI policies with corps like IBM, which owns RedHat which has heavy controls and influence over xorg, is a “dog whistle”. IBMs recent history of leaks and lawsuits says otherwise with discrimination in the workplace against what some might call a non diverse workforce. When an institution sets a goal to hire more “diverse” employees, that doesn’t magically change the numbers with how many employees can be hired to payroll. Some one has to leave to meet that agenda. Past discrimination against potential employees that didn’t get the job is assumed in order to use present discrimination against those that don’t meet the demographic goals.
Thread on X to cite. The court docs and examples of past lawsuits and leaks are there.
https://x.com/America1stLegal/status/1937994904132551029?t=so-nRroO0rhCcqcAoEYHsA&s=19
IMO this is a result of IBM leaning too hard to pay penance for it’s sins in the early 20th century aiding post Weimar Germany in it’s systematic oppressions.
The complaints are not from crypto racists trying to dog whistle. It’s from normal people just trying to live their lives when the pendulum has swing too far the other way.
I’m willing to cede technical arguments for Wayland if proven wrong about X11/libre/org. However I am less inclined to believe this is purely technical in its scope as following and researching politics has become more my wheelhouse. Maybe we should all take a 2nd look at the big tech corpos pulling the strings and band together to make sure the tech we want/need gets the development it deserves. Instead of assuming systems of oppression where non likely exist.
Paying too much attention to politics often means bad situation in economics and that politicians prefer to work in political part of life, constantly ignoring economic part. I saw this in USSR, now I see this in Russia.
I want working and supported X11 for the next 5 years. Will it be Xlibre or other fork - I don’t care.
Right now Xlibre is too new, and it breaks compatibility. In 2026 year we will see how it works. Possibly we will need another fork.
I don’t think “the pendulum has swung too far the other way”. I don’t have an issue with gay people or Black people or trans people making up any number of open source contributors and I don’t think much of those who do.
So I do not see that Xlibre will go anywhere soon.
It would probably need to have an active and sensible working group going for it.
And I highly doubt it will work out.
The sentiment seems highly negative and I am offended by this person. It looks like a thing made out of spite.
While I agree Wayland is not fully done I think “critical mass” has been reached so that development into the last critical flaws is something that could be remedied in the near future which would be even more enforced by the need.
x11 will likely stay where it is. The attempt of the XLibre project strikes me as particularly odd, because it is like a neverending maze of issues caused by all the backage that comes with it. I do not see that breakage will have a major benefit. I would hazard to guess Xlibre will end up like x11 but other issues in the end.
Xlibre is… questionable at best, and knowing this community it will likely go as far as it did in the Fedora project: Changes/X11Libre - Fedora Project Wiki.
Wayland is here to stay. Apps will either adapt or rely on XWayland or simply goes unmaintained, but that has nothing to do with Wayland. For older machines that are not supporting Wayland there is work going into Wayback which is now hosted under Freedesktop: Making sure you're not a bot!.
Are you sure you understand what Wayback is? Wayback is Xwayland in kiosk mode on the dedicated Wayland compositor. How do you run Wayland compositor on an older machine that does not support Wayland?
Are you sure you understand what Wayback is? Wayback is Xwayland in kiosk mode on the dedicated Wayland compositor. How do you run Wayland compositor on an older machine that does not support Wayland?
Yep, misspoke there, meant to say older desktops as in desktop environments.