"On Friday Jun Dong-soo, president of Samsung’s memory chip division, told reporters at the COEX InterContinental Hotel in Seoul that Windows 8 has failed to bolster demand for PCs, and that the industry will likely not rebound any time soon. Even more, he said that Microsoft’s new Windows overhaul is really no better than Windows Vista based on current market performance.
“The global PC industry is steadily shrinking despite the launch of Windows 8,” he told reporters. “I think the Windows 8 system is no better than the previous Windows Vista platform.”
Well this is indeed not good new for Microsoft. For anyone that cares, what I found was that under the hood, Windows 8 is both solid and faster than Windows 7, but with a terrible new Start menu user interface. Beauty is only skin deep as they say, but I think it is the new interface on top of WIndows 8 that has killed it and will likely keep it out of the business sector which is slow to upgrade anyway. I really don’t wish doom for Microsoft, but I was hoping that the desktops as we know them will not be put into an early grave due to any failure by Microsoft. Perhaps they will survive Windows 8 just as they did with Vista, but who knows really just what it will all mean?
On 2013-03-11, jdmcdaniel3 <jdmcdaniel3@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
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> Sagemta;2533620 Wrote:
> Well this is indeed not good new for Microsoft. For anyone that cares,
> what I found was that under the hood, Windows 8 is both solid and faster
> than Windows 7, but with a terrible new Start menu user interface.
It’s curious that even among Windows-only users, the numbers under `for anyone that cares’ is very few. I know many
companies that have happily replaced their Windows Vista with Windows 7 and will enjoy little further benefit upgrading
to Windows 8, and many find the new interface off-putting. It might be more attractive if Windows 8 was freely
available…
Beauty is only skin deep as they say, but I think it is the new
interface on top of WIndows 8 that has killed it and will likely keep it
out of the business sector which is slow to upgrade anyway.
I suspect the business sector will largely sit this release out altogether, like they did for Windows Vista, maybe
waiting for the next Windows (Windows 9)?
I really
don’t wish doom for Microsoft, but I was hoping that the desktops as we
know them will not be put into an early grave due to any failure by
Microsoft.
Microsoft really don’t care about desktops, but (like any other company) just want to sell their products. It seems a
reasonable suggestion that Windows 8 was Microsoft’s belated attempt to make in-roads into the `portable computer’
(phone/tablet/hybrids) market which seems to be replacing desktops for casual PC users. The desktop is consigned to an
early grave with or without Microsoft’s help. I just wonder what will be used in company offices when that happens.
> Perhaps they will survive Windows 8 just as they did with
> Vista, but who knows really just what it will all mean?
I suspect they will survive. It’s a shame Linux could never rescue the desktop situation. It’s 2013 and we still need to
run things like ndiswrapper and pavucontrol to fix things after installation. It’s true hardware vendors (ask Linus about
Nvidia!) don’t help, but the only rescue package I could think is to do to GNU/Linux what Android does to Linux - make
it usable for everyone.
With any luck James, the SP1 version of win8 will have a better user interface. I think the problem is that the win8 designers were keyed to the touch screen, and business doesn’t use that (yet).
I think the issue is well-known now, and Microsoft’s chief technical executive resigned just after W8 announcement. One desktop for all supported platforms, makes sense for Microsoft with increased productivity or overhead and cost reduction. However, every Windows PC user I know is appalled by W8’s user interface, and refuses to use it, so I will stick with W7 for as long as possible.
Win. 8 has not killed the desktop; what’s killed the desktop is Intel’s success - lets face it for 80+ % of the average computer geeks, a 2007 era core2duo is enough computing power, thus what incentive is there to buy a new system, especially if it means upgrading all software as well and major backups to transition over to the new toy? Maybe back in 1995 MS drove computer sales, but since 2001, its Intel’s great advances in chip technologies which kept the demand high. Now there are other players, operating systems, form factors, and chip designs for consumers besides wintel. But I think the biggest mistake hardware makers are making is that touch screen is what we all want - ps, not all of us do!
Unless it is the master plan - drive everyone to a new touch screen, then when they get pissed off about it, sell them a new classic styled laptop as a replacement.
What does that tell you about the chances of gnome shell suceeding, when even the biggest player in the game with massive marketing budgets and the support of major hardware vendors can’t convince people a shiatty new interface and workflow is what they need. A shiatty new interface that at least had a button that let you change it back to the old way of doing things.
Meanwhile, coding from a galaxy far, far away, Gnome has officially dropped support of fallback mode, replacing it with their broken extensions system, that break every release. Beceause that’s what developers love, platforms that aren’t in use on any major device, or supported by any major commercial linux distro, and that break every six months. What a compelling “story” they have.
On 2013-03-11 14:56, consused wrote:
> However, every Windows PC
> user I know is appalled by W8’s user interface, and refuses to use it,
> so I will stick with W7 for as long as possible.
I thought that there was an easy option to select the older interface :-?
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))
Personally I think Win8 is just fine.
No start button, don’t care. Boots into metro
instead of desktop, don’t care. Still
very fast, works well. The Metro Maps app
is exceedingly cool.
Though not my sentiment, I’m glad to read a post like this. IMHO With Windows 8 M$ has managed to create a disadvantage all linux distros know: “It’s so different”. In the last couple of weeks I’ve heard the remark “I might as well move to linux” twice from dedicated Windows users. Let’s be fair: a stock KDE desktop is more WIndows-like than Windows 8’s Metro. Both of them mentioned run openSUSE now (it’s always nice to carry four live USB sticks around).
At work I run both. OS is my base and I VM win8.
At home I just use Win8, I am an avid gamer and while
Steam is now out, my first purchase didn’t work. LOL.
Oh well, they’re trying at least.
If you think Microsoft ribbons are bad you don’t want to know how awful the ribbons at the top of the new AutoCAD’s windows are. Not only is the work flow horribly disjointed now, but the ribbon takes up so much real estate, and the bars at the bottom of the screen so much more (Oh, and there are additional menus nested at both right and left edges) that at 1366x768 on my laptop the drawing window is almost too small to work with. It might work on a 24" monitor, but we don’t all have the option to carry one of those around.
I didn’t think it could get worse than MSOffice, but it can.