On 2012-11-07 22:26, consused wrote:
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> dd;2501982 Wrote:
>> On 11/07/2012 07:46 PM, wellywu wrote:
>>> So far, I have had mostly positive experiences.
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>> who cares?
> Umm, the guy who started the thread could be interested in that opinion
> (and the rest). It’s unusual I suppose, but just a wild guess. :\ > 
Unbiased opinions from Linux people also using Windows, yes… >:-)
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Carlos E. R.
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Am 07.11.2012 22:38, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> Unbiased opinions
Isn’t the combination unbiased and opinion a contradiction in itself?
Sorry, I could not resist
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On 2012-11-07 22:45, Martin Helm wrote:
> Am 07.11.2012 22:38, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
>> Unbiased opinions
> Isn’t the combination unbiased and opinion a contradiction in itself?
> Sorry, I could not resist
Indeed - didn’t you notice my smiley?
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Carlos E. R.
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Am 08.11.2012 03:24, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> Indeed - didn’t you notice my smiley?
Ooops 
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On 11/07/2012 10:26 PM, consused wrote:
>> who cares?
> Umm, the guy who started the thread could be interested in that opinion
> (and the rest). It’s unusual I suppose, but just a wild guess. :\ >:)
guess what: I agree with you 100%!
that guy who wrote “who cares” is way off base!
really, i do not know what he was thinking…maybe his bottle had just
run out of baby forumla or he missed his nap!
<sigh> 
</sigh>
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I have an i7 here with 2TB drive and win7. I didn’t wiped it but shrunk it to just 50GB and install openSUSE just in case there will be a bios update in the future. That $40 bucks is an interesting upgrade price.
Quick thinking! This thread is err… surreal, so your smiley could have been a grin with doubting eyes, one blue, one also green. 
On 2012-11-08 23:16, consused wrote:
>> Indeed - didn’t you notice my smiley?
> Quick thinking! This thread is err… surreal, so your smiley could
> have been a grin with doubting eyes, one blue, one also green.
It is supposed to be a “malign” smile.
Not the exact wording, though…
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Carlos E. R.
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I’ll just put out a meaningless statement.
It’s fun, different and socially unacceptable.
I think it’s worth the $39.99.
So is OpenSuSE, but that’s a different story.
If you can get Microsoft Windows 8 Pro 64 bit with the Media Center for $14.99 or $39.99 USD, then it is worth the price to upgrade. I would not pay full price for the regular retail non-OEM version as it is too expensive in terms of the cost of learning how to use it. The learning curve is pretty steep and Windows 8 Pro 64 bit is more difficult to manage if you have older PCs with Microsoft Windows XP, Vista, or 7. Making Windows 8 Pro 64 bit work with Apple Macintosh OS X Lion or Mountain Lion 64 bit or GNU/Linux is a pain in the ass.
Your price is 10 cents less than one of the above post.
Who’s now telling the truth?:? This is now really worth to upgrade.
The price is $14.99 USD if you bought a new PC with Windows 7 on June 2nd, 2012 up to January 31st, 2013. For all others, it’s $39.99 USD if you have an older version of Microsoft Windows XP, Vista, or 7 before June 2nd, 2012. I paid $39.99 USD. It was well worth the price for the robust stability, performance, and security features.
I hate to say this as an OpenSuSE user, but Microsoft Windows 8 Pro 64 bit is the best version of Windows in terms of performance, stability, and security. It’s their best operating system version so far. If you can get it for $40.00 USD or less, then get it before January 31st, 2013. It’s worth the price and the steep learning curve. Just make sure that you perform a clean upgrade by discarding your old configuration and software applications for a smooth upgrade.
On 2012-11-10 05:36, wellywu wrote:
> I hate to say this as an OpenSuSE user, but Microsoft Windows 8 Pro 64
> bit is the best version of Windows in terms of performance, stability,
> and security
How can you vouch for its security after, what, a week of usage? X’-)
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Carlos E. R.
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Try Windows 8 Pro 64 bit in its final shipping product version. You’ll see that it has more security features built-in that require little to no user intervention like the universal Smart Screen filter or the Windows 8 apps that are sandboxed in the Modern user interface as examples. Previous versions of Microsoft Windows don’t have these new security features.
That probably was true of every new Windows version when released.
After having Windows 8 (System Builder, not Pro version), on a new build, for about ten days, I am impressed in the same areas you are. And my suspicion is that it’s a fairly idiot-proof OS, in that if a relative who had installed bloatware asks me to clean up their PC, it will be easier if Windows 8. Also in the idiot-proof department: From the point of view of a non-technical person, you do not need anti-virus (it is free and the default).
I found Win8 well-suited to a hobby built. On first boot, everything worked. The driver disk that came with my motherboard was unneeded, although I did eventually relent and put on a few updated drivers which sounded safe and light, and might theoretically make the PC a little faster.
My first time OpenSUSE (dual-boot on same PC) configuration is now stable and virtually complete. But the first couple of days experience with OpenSUSE required solving problems with peripheral devices (keyboard, video, printer), and was thus, I’m afraid, comparable to Windows days of yore. Of course, OpenSUSE has a different audience, and the OpenSUSE price wasn’t at all comparable 
Steve Eisenberg
Intel G2120, Integrated Graphics, 8GB DDR3, OpenSUSE 12.2, KDE 4.7
I should have acknowledged in my last, pro-Windows-8, post that you can’t vouch for much after a week of usage. It boots fast now. But in a couple years – and I kept VIsta for 4 years – after dozens of installations and installation removals, ask again.
Reviews of Windows versions, pro and con, are based on less important (at least to me) GUI issues because the core security, performance, and stability questions take a long time to answer. Win8 seems superior to me right now, but if it starts crashing, and I can’t blame it on hardware, I’m gonna think I was a fool to pay $70 for a software program.
On 2012-11-10 22:06, wellywu wrote:
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> Try Windows 8 Pro 64 bit in its final shipping product version. You’ll
> see that it has more security features built-in that require little to
> no user intervention like the universal Smart Screen filter or the
> Windows 8 apps that are sandboxed in the Modern user interface as
> examples. Previous versions of Microsoft Windows don’t have these new
> security features.
Can I quote you a year or two from now, when a new virus scare hits the
papers?
If they don’t, then I’ll believe you.
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Carlos E. R.
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On 2012-11-11 02:46, PhilaEisenberg wrote:
> Also in the idiot-proof department: From the point
> of view of a non-technical person, you do not need anti-virus (it is
> free and the default).
Huh? Can you expand on that?
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Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))
Windows 8 comes with anti-virus software built-in. MS has had AV for a while, though it never got high marks. Even where I work they are using MS AV so they have gone big time. Have a look at this link:
Windows 8 Security: What’s New? | PCMag.com
Thank You,
On 11/11/2012 04:34 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Can I quote you a year or two from now, when a new virus scare hits the
> papers?
do you really think that scare is a year away, or more??
have they done THAT much hardening this time? (they never have before)
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