Reading this I see some similar problems upgrading to the new Windows as some SUSE users are having. I guess no operating system is above problematic upgrades.
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 15:46 +0000, harrylanza wrote:
> Reading this I see some similar problems upgrading to the new Windows as
> some SUSE users are having. I guess no operating system is above
> problematic upgrades.
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> ‘windows-7-complaints-begin!’
> (http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/108340/windows-7-complaints-begin)
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EVERY TIME Windows 7 goes down hard (like somebody pulling the plug),
the thing boot up into a stupid recovery mode that always FAILS and then
(via interaction) I can reboot and go back in (sigh).
Our W2K8 R2 servers do not have this problem.
(and yes, I know that pulling the plug isn’t really a good idea)
Win7 exited my test box a few days ago due to massive data corruption caused by what appears to be a complete ntfs meltdown. Thankfully I had backups of everything I wanted so it was merely an annoyance.
Oh well, more the reason to use 11.2 on this box I guess.
It’s been reasonable in my test partitions - But I would hate to have to use it, and would never trade in openSUSE for it. Never.
Win7 yawn
Since week 11.2 was out in repos ie before the ISO were officially available, I’ve hardly run Win7 at all. When I have, it’s only exciting feature was to start claiming it is not genuine 
I found I had a few instabilities, strange “sucking mud” incidents, but disabling a driver for AMD Live! (away mode) seemed to sort that.
What actually is the killer for Win7 in reality, is the low ambition of it. 7’s main feature is that Win 7 is not called Vista actually apart from well publicised Aero Shake/Snap and the window previews from task bar, it’s very hard to come up with postive new features. A less broken media centre? May be ATA TRIM support for SSDs? An average Windows junkie, can’t explain why, they just know it’s better gear than what they’re used to!
Now to an extent, I have same issue with oS-11.2 over 11.1; saying it has ext4, and many upgraded applications, as well as KDE desktop pre-selected doesnt’ really cut it. Yes, it’s faste r and more responsive… but doesn’t that sound like someone else’s marketing now?
But Win7 improvements and foibles are pretty irrelevant, it is going to be a commercial success, a relaunch in effect of Vista’s Windows improvements, but mostly working rather mostly broken due to unresolved implementation issues.
The main problem Win 7 has for MS, is that it’s boring. The next 3 years Win 7 is what you get.
Already surpassed in speed and functionality by this autumns Linux offerings. We can look forward to very many developments, and as synergies occur (look at Qt running on symbian/maemo, Android, embedded, HPC) how can MS keep up with the deluge of creativity unleashed by Freedom?
Windows 7 provides a far better desktop experience than Windows XP and Vista.
I’m sure they were going to name it “Vista SP2” but some marketing rep. said: “if we give it a new name, we wont deal with the bad karma that vista has today”
And so they named it “7”. And it sells.
Personal complaints:
1)takes HUGE space on disk. even with restores turned off.
2)It has an annoying “activity centre”
3)Tried cosntantly to defrag my disk… even though i didn’t set it up (and it wasnt able to do it who-knows-why-i-dont-care)
4)It’s windows.
That was my experience with 7 on my testbox.
Thank god there is opensuse with beatiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful KDE.
EDIT: Upgrades sucks always (for me). I had terrible experiences with both win and linux flavors. Actually not that terrible with linux’s exps.
Win7 provides a better system than XP and Vista. True. But to call going from sheer misery to a bit less pain “improvement”…
I have 7, replaced a videocard and then it said “Not Genuine” (btw I always read it’s telling me it’s not a guinnnee pig). Called M$, they helped me out, another hour gone.
Then the defrag phenomenon appeared. With nothing on the HDD but Win7 itself, it constantly reports being fragmented over 70%. On a clean install.
So, now it rests. I ‘dd’-ed the entire thing to my USB-disk, and wait for an app to make me able to literally flush it down the toilet.
Compared to the latest linux distros it’s a very loud nothing.
Come on, Win7 isn’t that bad as all of you are seeming to make out. It’s stabler than both Vista and XP and is currently functioning better than either. Agreed, it’s less of a drastic change from Vista than Windows 3.1 to 95 was, but I don’t see any reason not to like it; apart from the usual Windows complaints (needs maintenance, etc. etc.) and the things Linux users will miss in it, like software package management, free choice to run what you like, configurability etc. And also the fact that it’s proprietary, of course.
The search in Vista and 7 alone makes me want to scream until my head explodes - especially compared to Spotlight.
Spotlight?? Tell us more Chrys, please, I hate the find utility in in openSuse >:(>:(>:(
I had a quick goog and found this:
HackITLinux: Linux on “Spotlight”
Is this what you use? Or are you talking about Mac?
IIRC the search in MSWinXP was very good indeed, I’ve never used Vista, or 7
No Vista SP2, provides a very similar experience to Win 7 on most machines. The main difference is the superior windows previews, system notification tray changes, and a faster boot time on my machine. But a large part of that speedier boot may be due to Windows degradation over 2 years.
7’s main feature, is that it is not called Vista.
Vista’s early issues have resulted in exaggerated and entrenched views. The fact that 7 with relatively superficial changes has received acclaim show that Vista was not nearly as bad as made out, for 7’s mostly about knocking off the rough edges.
Yes it’s a “Mac only feature” in the sense that other platforms have other products, like Beagle on Linux etc.
The difference between them and Spotlight is that Spot is instant - and by instant I mean really instant amongst all documents, files, dictionaries, etc.
You just press cmd+space in any application and type what you want, bang - instant results, any application or document, email etc. Ludicrously fast.
Aslong as an OS need’s “Customers”/“Users” to run it there will always be complaint’s.
Win 7 even from an “ex” oem’s perspective is a good OS, It’s had a lot of work on the way it works rather than the look’s (total opposite to what vista had). The change’s to the kernel and internal’s kept the naming structure from previous version’s XP/Vista so it would cause less breakage with programs (like Vista did). The security “features” are less obtrusive than they were in Vista.
I’m no lover of MS or the tactics that they like to use, but I will admit 7 is by far the most interesting OS they have released in a long time. It show’s MS doe’s listen (sometimes) to it’s user base and what they want/need.
As for “Spotlight” that’s something i sorely miss in Linux, i did miss “Quicksilver” and “Butler” till i found thing’s like Gnome-Do. I’m hoping Nepomuk and Strigi will sort of become a “Spotlight” like search.
I have win 7 on two laptops with zero issues; not sure what all the angst is from…I also have Opensuse running…is it too easy?
Read the articles about the EULA for Win7. Read the EULA itself. It belongs to the product. M$ puts you in a key-locked harnass, keeping the key themselves. They have all the rights, the duties to meet up to the rights are yours.
The Win7 OS therefore is not good. Not in any way.
Quite. I was an early Vista adopter and suffered the usual issues with video and other drivers, but the main issue was boot-up speed after some months. Buying a new laptop gave me W7 and I can’t see what the fuss is about. It’s like upgrading from KDE 4.2 to 4.3, at best. Boot speed is still sluggish, and that’s on a fresh install, I expect it wil be around the five minute mark in a year, except that I’m unlikely to use it much: the new file manager alone puts me off.
W7, in my view, is an even bigger flop than Vista. Yes, it’s somewhat smoother but then it should be after all these years. There’s nothing really new in it, no new eye candy, no multiple workspaces, no really striking functionality. It’s all marketing hype, and it won’t be long until people find out.
On my test to a quiet useable desktop, oS-11.2 & Kubuntu 9.10 clocked 55 secs, Win 7 (self clean installed) 60 secs and the old Vista 150!
I notice OEM machines are often much slower, due to crapware they add to startup. So if you uninstall uncessary stuff they put on and clamp down on startup, you might see considerable improvement.
But that’s why I said Vista SP2, not original Vista and I’ve updated quite a few windows machines, which did not even get SP1 on them, because then normal user did not have the “optional” driver updates installed. So I suspect many Windows users, are comparing old unpatched Vista installed by OEM, against a clean self installed Windows 7.
MS have backported improvements to Vista, the scheduling is less bouncy; Direct 11 is there. It’s not just naming they haven’t changed, the kernel being 6.1 compared to 6.0.
Win 7 is really Vista Second Edition, Vista Release 2 from technical point of view. It “works” because they’ve been so conservative and done tuning and patching bugs.
As doe’s most proprietary software, that doesn’t make it wrong. They are trying to protect an asset. The problem come’s with the tactic’s they use to enforce the protection.
The EULA from MS is really no different if you read it than most proprietary software. Apple is actually worse as Apple lock you into hardware aswell as software, but the problem with MS is it’s dominance and market share. The problem also arise’s that people do not make the choice to change to alternative OS’s. Yes this is much due to MS and the OEM agreement’s, but that is not solely to blame on MS. MS at the end of the day is a Company much like Novell or any other, they will protect asset’s.
MS get into trouble because of the way they use the strategy’s to stay on top of the pack, not because of anything else. IBM was the same year’s ago, before they actually saw sense. IBM tried to dictate from a dominant position to a lot of company’s and payed the price by customer’s choosing alternative’s. Until we reach a point where customer’s talk with money and don’t purchase the hardware from the OEM vendor’s or purchase new MS product’s nothing will change the tide.
The problem isn’t that your locked into the EULA, not atleast for end-user’s as they can “choose” otherwise. If people seek to blame someone MS catch’s the brunt as they supply the OS. Even though the manufacturer can “choose” to install “alternative’s”. The problem for most company’s is cost, it would cost a lot more to support “various” operating system’s than it does to support “Windows”. At the end of it all the “Customer” is the one who has the last word, they talk with cash. The customer’s are the only one’s that have the power to change the market, the business’s don’t have the power to change it.
Anyways enough of my rant, I’m not a supporter of MS but i think a lot of people choose to blame MS for thing’s that are not totally thier fault. They don’t choose to be “Top” of the stack, We put them there. Until “WE” change that it wont change, no matter how much we all blab on about how bad “MS” are.
It is clearly wrong! Just because supine Governments and politicians requiring funding from business, have let the proprietary software industry basically run amok, putting end users in practical position of having to agree to such unfair terms; does not mean it is not wrong.
If you let lawyers employed by businesses dictate terms, this is the result. Perceived network effects mean most end users feel compelled to agree. They are not ignorant people, not just interested enough to opt out.
Who put the “Goverment’s” there? We did, Who let them take such control of thing’s? We did.
Lawyers, court’s, law’s all dictate term’s. Whether it be fair or not. The people put them in the place to be able to dictate, and either through ignorance or whatever allow them the reign they need. That doesn’t make the EULA or Proprietary software wrong it make’s us agreeing to the term’s wrong.
The “Choice” is our’s at the end of the day, it is all of us that put the goverment’s or whatever in the positions, yet people choose to blame company’s or goverment’s, rather than take the blame on themselves. If we didn’t put them there they wouldn’t be in such a position.
Proprietary software is NOT wrong, it’s no different to wanting to protect your own asset’s.
The whole thing is just human nature i guess, blame anyone else for the state of thing’s rather than look at yourselves as possibly the cause of it in the first place.