On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 18:36 +0000, captaincapacitor wrote:
> Why is the opensuse 11.0 dvd set only 6.7 gigs on a single DVD?
>
> Why is it not mentioned in ANY advertising that it’s a single disk or
> that it’s only 6.7 gigs?
It’s a dual layer DVD disk… what’s so different than the past?
>
> Why am I being “ripped-off” in buying a retail set when it’s barely
> more than the free download?
OPEN…SUSE is a free community produced product. However, when
you visit opensuse.org, a pressed DVD, a manual and installation
support don’t ooze out of the various orifices of your computer.
My point is that buying a retail box isn’t like the old (pre openSUSE)
days where there were some additional trialware or even supported
commercial packages on the boxed version. You may have noticed this
transition going from the 9’s to the 10’s.
The convenience of pressed media, the manual and the brief installation
support period is what you are buying when you get the boxed
version.
>
> Opensuse 10.3 was a whopping 13 gigs! it was two dual-layer DVDs, where
> did all that “stuff” go ?
I don’t think the source is included in the boxed version. And the
new version does used much better compression. Also, some packages
have been removed because of incompatibility or the fact that
they have died due to lack of a maintainer.
>
> and now, in 11.0 we get this puny single 6.7 gig disk?
> and it doesn’t even include some very critical basic packages (like
> nasm for example).
>
> oh, your argument is that I can get those online? well, I’m sorry, but
> where I install, I don’t have internet, at all, so what does that get
> me?
I think that is a valid point. It’s is openSUSE… so this is
fixable for future releases… BUT somebody has to do the work
to make this happen.
>
> I can’t believe all the major, very critical packages that are not
> included.
Blame the community… err… wait a minute… that’s YOU and me!!
Sorry, but openSUSE is NOT like the old SUSE Professional. It’s
a pro and a con. The good news is that we’re not arbitrarily
constrained. The bad news is that we don’t have 72 hours in
a single day.
>
> And when I did a text-only install, and told it to skip the internet
> tests, it refused! it kept trying and trying and trying and trying,
> again and again, over 45 minutes and still trying.
That sounds like a bug. I’m with you on that last step part,
I don’t like it trying to reach the outside world as a part
of installation… that’s just stupid (for many reasons).
>
> i can’t get it to abort. it keeps coming up and saying “abort, skip,
> retry”, I press “abort”, it tries again, I press “skip” it tries
> again.
I’ve seen this kind of problem throughout the 10’s as well.
>
> this reminds me of the “gilligans island” spoof, “internet theme song”
> (trapped on the internet).
>
> How do I get a decent DVD set (please don’t say use Kiwi and make my
> own unless you’re prepared to outline in detail exactly how to do that)
> ?
>
> or failing a decent set, how do I get a refund?
Ooh… now that’s a VERY good question. Not sure.
Sorry 11.0 (emphasis on the .0 part) didn’t work out for you.
Let’s just say there is PLENTY of room for another Linux
distribution in this world… the question will is, will it
be CaptainCapacitor 1.0 or Cjcox 1.0?
I know this reply didn’t help much. I do think you raised
some excellent issues/points though.
