I noticed my LibreOffice (from the openSUSE 12.1 repos) is really far behind the currently released version. LibreOffice is already 4 minor versions into the 3.5 “realm” while openSUSE’s still in 3.4.x. Anyone know why this is? And how do I get the latest version?
The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.4
Also, “The Document Foundation suggests all users to upgrade from previous versions to LibreOffice 3.5.4.” and with large files, they claim a 100% performance improvement.
On 2012-05-31 18:46, 6tr6tr wrote:
>
> I noticed my LibreOffice (from the openSUSE 12.1 repos) is really far
> behind the currently released version. LibreOffice is already 4 minor
> versions into the 3.5 “realm” while openSUSE’s still in 3.4.x. Anyone
> know why this is? And how do I get the latest version?
I see 3.5.3 in the unstable and stable repos.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Thu, 31 May 2012 22:33:06 +0530, Carlos E. R.
<robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> On 2012-05-31 18:46, 6tr6tr wrote:
>>
>> I noticed my LibreOffice (from the openSUSE 12.1 repos) is really far
>> behind the currently released version. LibreOffice is already 4 minor
>> versions into the 3.5 “realm” while openSUSE’s still in 3.4.x. Anyone
>> know why this is? And how do I get the latest version?
>
> I see 3.5.3 in the unstable and stable repos.
>
you don’t get the latest and (sometimes) greatest software versions by
installing from the release CD and using the standard repos only. whatever
is published in the straight openSUSE release gets security updates, but
not updated to newer versions. for that, you’ll have to use additional
repos, like carlos mentioned. in this case
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/
or
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/
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phani.
On Thu, 31 May 2012 16:46:02 +0000, 6tr6tr wrote:
> I noticed my LibreOffice (from the openSUSE 12.1 repos) is really far
> behind the currently released version. LibreOffice is already 4 minor
> versions into the 3.5 “realm” while openSUSE’s still in 3.4.x. Anyone
> know why this is?
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Maintenance_policy
Short version: The policy with openSUSE is that in general, release
versions of included packages are not updated; security fixes are
backported when necessary.
That’s also why you don’t see a 3.4 kernel in 12.1, or GNOME 3.4.
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
I am baffled by the “100% performance improvement”. That would bring the elapsed time or CPU time or what they mean, to nil IMHO which is realy an impressive achievement. It is a pity that it only works for large files. That would bring one to enlarge small files with a lot of nothing to bring the processing time of these files alos to nil.
Thanks to everyone! I had no idea that you do not get even the latest stable versions of important packages. Any idea why this is? I understand not enabling unstable updating by default, but why not stable version upgrading?
Just to check, the steps I make are:
Add the stable LibreOffice repo for 12.1
In YAST2-Software Management, select the LibreOffice Repo and choose to switch packages to that repo
Correct?
That is openSUSE release policy for a long time allready. The openSUSE release is tested as a complete set. It is closed for newer versions from a certain point in the release cycle on. New versions are combined in a new release and again tested together.
When you want a “rolling” release, go for Tumbleweed.
On Thu, 31 May 2012 17:46:02 +0000, 6tr6tr wrote:
> Thanks to everyone! I had no idea that you do not get even the latest
> stable versions of important packages. Any idea why this is? I
> understand not enabling unstable updating by default, but why not stable
> version upgrading?
As I said, it’s been the policy for some time that version numbers aren’t
incremented in a release of openSUSE. The reason is that the primary
releases prefer stability across packages, and upgrading from one release
to the next introduces potential for instability due to package
interactions.
Since each package releases on its own schedule and could introduce
problems, the decision was made years ago to not provide point release
updates (except for packages like Firefox where their release numbers
have different meanings now) in order to promote overall system stability.
If you want more frequent updates, use the tumbleweed releases or apply
the “unstable” repos. Those repos don’t necessarily mean the release is
“unstable”, just that the packages haven’t gone through the full
regression testing necessary to be included as a regular update.
Security updates, as I said, are backported when necessary. Features
aren’t.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 2012-05-31 19:46, 6tr6tr wrote:
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> Thanks to everyone! I had no idea that you do not get even the latest
> stable versions of important packages. Any idea why this is?
Intentional policy, proved by ageless practice.
Any update bring dangers. Other installed packages may break when you
install something, so for stability you only update what is absolutely
needed - and no, improvements do not count as absolute necessities.
Updates only come when you /upgrade/ everything in a distribution upgrade,
in a matching set.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:08:09 +0530, Carlos E. R.
<robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> On 2012-05-31 19:46, 6tr6tr wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to everyone! I had no idea that you do not get even the latest
>> stable versions of important packages. Any idea why this is?
>
> Intentional policy, proved by ageless practice.
>
> Any update bring dangers. Other installed packages may break when you
> install something, so for stability you only update what is absolutely
> needed - and no, improvements do not count as absolute necessities.
>
> Updates only come when you /upgrade/ everything in a distribution
> upgrade,
> in a matching set.
>
or you add repos with newer versions, which of course is more risky than
sticking to the release, which has been proven & bug-fixed over time.
depends on your situation and mentality: if you’re talking about an
important business network, or your second laptop; and how much you mind
fixing a broken system now & then.
some of these additional repos are quite well tested and widely used:
KDE:/Release versions comes to mind, also Libreoffice; others are more
obscure, have very frequent updates, or are known to break often.
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phani.
On 2012-05-31 22:39, phanisvara das wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:08:09 +0530, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
> some of these additional repos are quite well tested and widely used:
> KDE:/Release versions comes to mind, also Libreoffice; others are more
> obscure, have very frequent updates, or are known to break often.
Not quite.
For example, I’m using 11.4, and I updated KDE via KDE Stable. Well, YOU
wants to change 3 or 4 packages, changing the vendor, because those patches
have a higher version than what the KDE repo contains.
If the repo had been tested with the full system in mind, this would not
happen.
And a similar conflict happens with the LibreOffice Stable repo.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 02:23:06 +0530, Carlos E. R.
<robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> On 2012-05-31 22:39, phanisvara das wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:08:09 +0530, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
>
>
>> some of these additional repos are quite well tested and widely used:
>> KDE:/Release versions comes to mind, also Libreoffice; others are more
>> obscure, have very frequent updates, or are known to break often.
>
> Not quite.
>
> For example, I’m using 11.4, and I updated KDE via KDE Stable. Well, YOU
> wants to change 3 or 4 packages, changing the vendor, because those
> patches
> have a higher version than what the KDE repo contains.
>
> If the repo had been tested with the full system in mind, this would not
> happen.
>
> And a similar conflict happens with the LibreOffice Stable repo.
>
yes, i know. i wasn’t talking about that case, where i believe YOU and/or
whatever libraries it uses, are at fault; i was talking about repos in
general.
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phani.
On 2012-05-31 23:19, phanisvara das wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 02:23:06 +0530, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
> yes, i know. i wasn’t talking about that case, where i believe YOU and/or
> whatever libraries it uses, are at fault; i was talking about repos in
> general.
Well, the repos can “solve” the issue by increasing the release number of
those packages. But it proves that they haven’t tested that much.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
> I had no idea that you do not get even the latest
> stable versions of important packages. Any idea why this is?
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Maintenance_policy
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