This is my last thread here as i decided to move back to windows
Ive been an opensuse user for about 4 years now and recently i bought a 3G phone which I cant use with linux… i cant connect to internet using it because linux doesnt recognize the usb modem… and even worst, doesnt recognize the bluetooth modem…
this is not the reason why im moving back… but certanly the trigger…
For years i’ve wait for an application a little bit close to autocad for linux… right now bricscad for linux is in a alpha stage… not usable… and doesnt seem we get a usable release soon…
Also Adobe CS… Illustrator and InDesign are my coworkers… as autocad and sketchup… nothing similar to those apps in linux…
(inkscape??? come on!.. scribus???.. please compare what those are able to do…)
In this time i convinced a lot of people to use opensource and opensuse… and all of them ended up back to windows for one reason to other… to tell and example being unable to make a video call in msn… or the poor implementation of skype on linux…
For me… linux, opensuse, and opensource its running this race way slower than ms or apple… and i suspect they doesnt realize how slow are they… and in terms of marketing… thats another story… as a designer (architect) i can tell interfaces and general appeal of linux reveals this deficiencies… and appeal that looks rookie and cheap…
so… if my only way to connect to internet its using 3G and linux doesnt support that… well… is really disappointing…
dont get me wrong… i dont like at all going back to windows… but i cant do nothing to avoid that… here i just want to state the perspective of a linux user that CAN’T remaing as it because linux doesnt allow me to… thats the sad reallity…
Well can’t blame for that. It’s a real pain when your gadgets aren’t usable because it’s not supported. We can’t blame linux too if it can’t support the gadget because they don’t want linux to have the capability of doing so.
The person who brought me to openSuSE has a high level of knowledge/expertise in autocad and sketchup. I can throw a bunch of question to him and he has all the commands in his mind to run those applications from 2d to 3d and many other tricks. But I have not heard him complain about not being able to run it in linux for he understand from the very first why and how it will not. Good luck to you.
Sometimes there is no choice but to run Windows because of a particular app. One should always decide what app one must run first, and then that may constrain the OS. I would say Linux, or I should say, the software market is not ready for you. As pointed out above, you could run Windows in a VM. If not, have fun whatever you do and check Linux out again at some future date.
This is becoming a real problem. Linux has always lagged one or two release cycles behind on hardware drivers, probably because so many of them have to be reverse-engineered and created by the community. It seems to be getting worse, too, with the newest, hottest “everyone wants/gotta have” gadgets. And that’s going to really hurt Linux.
This isn’t a criticism of the F/OSS community; we’re doing the best we can. But let me say this in bold print (I apologize in advance):
When I see F/OSS advocates who insist that they aren’t “competing with Windows” or that they don’t care that Windows has 90-95% market share in desktops, I tell them that they’re wrong. They SHOULD care. They need to do whatever they can to make Linux as easy-to-use as possible for the masses, and to get it onto as many desktops as possible.
Why? Precisely because of this. Hardware manufacturers, especially in a recession, are not going to devote time and resources to developing drivers that are only used by a tiny fraction of their potential audience. The day could come that Linux is essentially little more than a “hobbyist’s” system, akin to BeOS or the few Amiga diehards out there, scrambling at yard sales to find compatible hardware to play with.
One of the most chilling things I’ve ever read was an interview with an NVidia guy (this was recently, but I can’t find the link now, drat it!). He said that only about 5% of their downloads are for Linux. This raises the chilling possibility that one day NVidia will just pull the plug, saying, “we’re devoted thousands of dollars for very little return. Let’s just lose the Linux crowd and make it up on Windows 7 customers.”
It’s a chicken-or-egg scenario. Linux has got to become more usable, but at the same time, we’ve got to have drivers to make it so. I’m not sure what the answer is.
I don’t know if you know it, but Greg Kroah-Hartman and other kernel developers have publicly offered to write Linux drivers for hardware for free. All they need are the hardware docs. Evidently some hardware vendors are still not aware of this, or are scared they might reveal too much by documenting the hardware, or are just embarrassed by their hardware (yes, this happens too).
So next time you complain to the vendor, also point out this how-can-you-turn-this-down offer.
Hmmm… reading your posting history (all 8 of them) with most concerning not getting your wireless Internet working with a huawei device (BTW what gave you the belief it would work in openSUSE after your 4 years of being a openSUSE user, had you researched it for Linux compatibility ahead of time?) I am forced to conclude your comment about going back to Windows is suspect. Not to mention nothing precludes you from running both Winders and Linux.
Now while such pronunciations might be worth discussion if you commented on the state of affairs forcing you to use Windows as well as Linux due to hardware and Applications limitations, I am afraid that you are not seeking such a discussion. Instead you are posting basically a screed. If you need Windows than pay for it and use it.
I agree with you in principle, and that’s a valid point. But many vendors, for whatever reason, do not want to release details of their hardware without requiring an NDA, and the F/OSS types who’d offer to write the driver for free absolutely refuse to sign an NDA, or even to release it as a closed-source binary (naturally). Arguing about who’s right, or who’s wrong, isn’t going to change this, either, not anytime soon.
(By the way, Creative Labs, to my pleasant surprise, is an exception: they regularly provide hardware details and even sample hardware to the ALSA folks. They should be commended.)
This is why I said that it’s a chicken/egg situation. If Linux had really large market share in something other than servers, the F/OSS community would have the clout to say to these hardware vendors, “you needs to support us, or we’ll go elsewhere.” As it is now, though, someone like NVidia or Motorola or Blackberry will simply say, “uhhh … OK. Whatever.” We’re hardly a glitch on the their bottom line.
One thing that would help A LOT would be for Linux to use something like DKMS, or come up with some other way for a vendor to make a driver and have it work across kernel upgrades and updates. The fact that the Linux kernel maintainers continue to turn a deaf ear toward the VERY legitimate complaints of the hardware vendors is NOT helping.
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Likewise, been using workstation since 4.5, currently at 6.5.2 (there
is a bug in 6.5.3), just waiting for the 6.5.4 update which have been
advised is due soon…
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You are indeed better with Windows. I would suppose that GNU/Linux was born as a powerfull tool, and as such, might not suit everyone’s needs.
It isn’t GNU/Linux fault that many companies don’t provide decent hardware support or cutting edge applications.
As GNU/Linux and other GNU software is highly used for server ends, the same doesnt happen for desktop or production, but considering that tool like Gimp, Inkscape and such are of lower quality, I would not say that.
The only thing I know as absolute truth, is that I dont care that you move back to windows.
thats exactly my point… linux developers as linux community SHOULD care why people is going back to other OS… or in the other hand why they dont even think of linux as an option…
this is not about just one person who couldnt use his phone with linux… In Costa Rica there is just one phone company… own by the goverment, public institution… so, the only who provides 3G… the phone i bought is the most sold phone by them… guys… a whole country have that phone… that means a whole country that cannot use its phone with linux…
Are you aware of the dimensions of a situation like that?
My guess is not… thats why im so critical about marketing and linux…
About the law suits… there are none… cause no one complains here… not just for that… people doesnt complain about anything here… but thats another story…
And for the people that took this thread personal… dont be offended… cause is not my intention…
