I think too, that these are harsh words.
We should not forget, that it is always a philosophical view a desktop gets designed. We may not agree how it looks or acts, but this is what it is.
There are plenty of other choices around.
As an example. For a fallback (and regular use) one can use IceWM which is really nice in its own way.
I, still, haven’t used Gnome 3 and so i can not relate to it. But it does remind me of a smartphone screen. If you used it for while, maybe it makes more sense.
I think too, that these are harsh words.
One can bet that, but I did not have much choice in the matter, it came with the motherboard I bought
>>> Packagekit crashes
> Well its the thing openSUSE uses to update, why use something so
> unstable as your main updater?
> Very strange
as said, packagekit is (imo) a KDE product which is not ready for
use, so i don’t … instead i open YaST and use the Online Update module
as my “main updater”…
Thats what I wound up doing
please post a bug for all your problems with it…perhaps they will get
Strangely my yast bugs have vanished, its probably from a update or something that fixed it.
it could have been a hiccup of some kind, who knows.
>>> Yast crashes
> Actually I have had it crash on me, especially the package manager.
> It crashes with an odd message 6 out of 10 times, next time I will post
> the error I am getting assuming it ever comes up again.
that is not a YaST crash, instead it is an error coming from a
repo…if YaST crashed, you would not see that error…YaST did its
job and told you of a problem somewhere out on the net…
many don’t realize how slow the mirrors (bandwidth donated and speed
controlled by the server owner) can be at times, and think YaST has
crashed–when instead it is patiently waiting for a download to begin,
continue or complete…which is another non-crash event which might be
interpreted as a crash…
Like i said who knows, it might have been a hiccup with my configuration.
> I am fully aware that linux is not windows, no need to talk down to me
> like some sort of idiot.
thousands have read that article and not interpreted it to say that it
talks down to them like they are an idiot…i’m surprised you do.
i ask you to read the cited article again, this time without finding
reason to be insulted: Linux is NOT Windows
No I read that page before, its usually brought up for people who are new to the OS.
I have used Linux for 5 years now or so, I just still have some habits from my windows days…
Like a single panel layout without a dock of some kind, with the general look and feel as the panel on XP.
Of course its not going to be exactly like the panel on XP, nor do I expect it to be.
But I do like the ability to tweak my OS to the way I like it and I cant do that in gnome 3 or unity.
> I am not demanding any linux look or work exactly like windows, I just
> like having the flexibility.
you have the flexibility to pick the desktop you want from a LONG list:
IceWM, Fluxbox, Window Maker, CDE, Xfce, Fvwm, OpenBox, Ratpoison, twm,
evilwm, Enlightenment, XFree86, and KDE, Gnome, LXDE…
Well I have tried all those and here are my feelings:
Ice WM: its okay and very basic and it gets the job done… but on the same token its a little too basic for my tastes.
Fluxbox: I kind of like fluxbox, again its basic and gets the job done, but again its a little too basic.
Windowmaker: I always had trouble with this one, there used to be a good guide for customizing it but its been lost to time it seems.
CDE: are you joking?
XFCE: XFCE is a real mixed bag for me, on one hand i really like it but without a easy to work with menu editor it kind of falls flat, i still use some windows apps like IE on the side and if they are not detected by XFCE’s menu its really hard to edit the main menu entries.
FVWM: Eh… its a little too hardcore for me
Openbox: see fluxbox
Ratpoison: command line based, no thanks
TWM: again too hard core for me.
evilwm: again for command line guru’s
Enlightenment: never worked for me
XFree86: again command line
So that leave me:
KDE: something simple and easy for me to use, a little unstable but at least I can get it working
Gnome: Gnome 2 was fine, sure it was “out of date” but it worked and i could make it look and feel the way i wanted it…
Now its customizable and totally useless.
LXDE: you know I really like LXDE, the issue here is that it still feels very new and its still not officially supported by some distros.
It still needs development time but its getting there
oh, have you seen this (which tries REALLY hard to look like a Redmond
clone): Ylmf OS-YlmF Operating System
yes I have, and even as a person who likes the look and feel of windows it still bugs me.
Just because i like to set my setup like windows doesn’t mean i want a distro built around it.
It looks really stupid
On 04/28/2011 10:36 AM, DancingmadRB3 wrote:
>> yes, ATI is more troublesome than my seven year old nVidia
> One can bet that, but I did not have much choice in the matter, it came
> with the motherboard I bought
did you choose the motherboard?
Yes, but I only got the mobo because it was on sale, it was regularly priced at $99 I got it for $79…
So I only got it because of it being on sale, also me using a AMD processor I had to get a AMD compliant mobo and most come with a built in ATI card.
Here are my specs if you are wondering:
1 In Win griffin yellow case
1 Lite on iHAS-324-98B DVD burner
1 ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO motherboard with a onboard ATI Radeo HD 4200 graphics card
2 2GB corsair memory sticks
1 HP dvd1260 DVD burner
1 AMD Athelon II dual core processor
1 1TB WD caviar green hard drive I use as my primary drive
1 640GB WD caviar green hard drive I use for storage (its my older drive but it still works so why junk it?)
1 Vizio Television I use as the monitor
1 xbox 360 gamepad I use for console emulation
1 Microsoft wireless comfort 4000 keyboard
1 Microsoft wireless 5000 laser mouse
And a partridge in a pear treeeee!
On 04/28/2011 09:36 PM, DancingmadRB3 wrote:
> onboard ATI Radeo HD 4200 graphics card
so, take the $20 you saved and buy a card known to have a good driver…
Well to be honest i am not having too much trouble with the onboard card, sure I get the occasional hiccup but its expected from any card.
I had similar issues with my older intel based graphics card on my older computer.
Then again its probably because i did not own a nvidia which I know has the best linux support overall.
But I wont buy an nvidia card right now as my ati card works quite well for the most part, it just has a few gripes with KDE.
But I expect improvement here soon with AMD phasing out ATI and possibly fixing all the driver issues, I actually think they will as they know they got a huge linux fanbase.
Plus the free ati drivers seem to be improving as well.
So for now I am okay with my ATI card, and I will probably switch it out within the next year if I dont see any improvements.
Right now the crashes i get with KDE are mostly manageable, so i feel no need to change out my graphics card.
I have just dumped Ubuntu because of Unity - Classic Ubuntu started locking up and ran slower
Must say that opensuse is not as user friendly but is about 40 times faster on my machine.
Just glad I didn’t lose my partitions on installation (just kept my fingers crossed) relief when windows showed up on my boot menu (although I don’t use it much - still need it and did not want to reinstall it)
i started with Ubuntu a couple years ago.
When I took a Linux course, we used openSUSE 11.2 for the course.
I also hated the Unity desktop, so I got rid of Ubuntu and switched to openSUSE 11.4. I tried Fedora 15 but did not like that desktop either.
So far I like openSUSE 11.4.
XFCE is probably the best Windows-like layout you’ll get that has any kind of active development. Gnome, Unity (and to some extent KDE) have moved toward a DE that is uncommon for most folks coming from the Windows world. The only downside to XFCE is that it’s currently using the GTK2 libraries which of course are part of Gnome 2 which is no longer going to be developed by the Gnome team so unless the XFCE group takes over development on that front it’s going to stagnate.
With the foregoing in mind, it might be time to embrace the changes in environments such as Gnome 3. As far as customization is concerned there is certainly a minimal amount that can be done at this point through any kind of GUI. However, if you are willing to work through some relatively simple lessons with the CL, the Gnome 3 interface can attain some of the same functionality as it’s predecessor.
A good place to start with Gnome 3 customization would be to read Finnbarr P. Murphy’s writings on the subject here: GNOME Shell Extensions
As to the hardware issues mentioned above, with as many lockups and errors as are described it sounds more like an issue with RAM. Corsair memory is known for its’ quality but there are always exceptions. If it is indeed the video though, XFCE is again a decent solution for DE since even without hardware acceleration it is a rather snappy interface.
Actually for a windows user KDE might be a good place to start over most DE’s, it has a similar look and feel to Vista and to a certain point Windows 7.