On 2014-09-22, pinguin74 <pinguin74@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> I am curious to know, why do you still use openSUSE Linux?
> What do you like about openSUSE that makes you prefer this distro?
DE ambivalence.
YaST.
OBS.
Seamless version upgrading without having to install afresh every time.
RPM packaging for server-grade software.
> Why don´t you use Ubuntu? Why openSUSE?
See openSUSE positives listed above.
I prefer not have a single ugly DE, targetting touchscreens and supported only by one distro, shoved down my throat.
I prefer not by be spied upon by Amazon.
I prefer to be treated like a grown up in the way I use su -c' and sudo’ by default.
I prefer not have idiotic terms like `saucy-salamander’ pervading throughout my logs.
Because I’m a masochist and I gain enjoyment from whipping myself in the nuts with nettles.
Seriously though, it’s free, it usually “just works” and I get my work done with it - I’m a pragmatist, not a crusader of faith. I use whatever tools best suit the situation at hand.
To what you both have said, I agree. Well, I’d change «DE ambivalence»
with «DE multivalence»
(I understand that “ambivalence” refers to two items only)
Another item for me is that I’m used to openSUSE. And that’s not a
trivial thing: I know how to solve most issues I find on openSUSE, and
not on any others. I’d have to learn new tricks and ways, whom to ask,
where to read, where to find packages, what are the best practices for
whatever distro.
I could test-install some other distro, and things would not work. I
could be one of those bloggers and create a writeup about how bad is
ubuntu, or debian, or whatever, when it simply is that they are issues
that everybody there knows how to quickly avoid or solve, and I do not.
So it is a serious issue: using a different distro would involve a large
time and work investment from me.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
YaST, basically a one-stop shop for setting up everything a desktop user needs without meddling around with config files
great, kind and helpful geeko community
a bunch of options regarding your software, many DE’s supported officially.
openSUSE’s a project that’s very collaborative in nature (check OBS, things there are being compiled for other distros also)
it’s a community project and community has a voice
great balance between only community and corporate model. It’s sponsored, so no fear of it dieing out, but also self-governing, so it can be trusted.
…in every aspect possible, openSUSE’s a great compromise. It can be used by both newbies and geeks, it is stable and mature, and has great developers. Whom i’d like to thank for their work in about 3,2,1… THANK YOU!
in my local community, one guy said a great thing; openSUSE has that ‘something’ that wherever i may distrohop, i keep returning to it. And i don’t know what’s the reason, but it seems just right.
I do not find ubuntu particularly user-friendly. Maybe that’s because I am a CLI (command line interface) kind of person.
And Yast still has a better GUI software manager than what ubuntu provides (or what Fedora provides).
And yes, I do test the others. I installed ubuntu 14.04 and kubuntu 14.04. I did like pam-kwallet in kubuntu, but in all other respects I prefer opensuse.
I forgot to mention; apt is ass. Having multiple commands to perform package management is just derp and it’s slow as balls on a fast computer (like mine).
Thus I personally prefer zypper over apt/yum, brew on OS X is similar - one command that gets everything I want done.
Offers multiple good desktop configurations, doesnt offer the boring stock defaults for less popular desktop enviroments
Doesn’t focus soley on one desktop environment
Can mix repos without the system getting messed up
Best installer
Best artwork
openQA
Perhaps the best out-of-box support (for me personally)
Easy one-click installer for nvidia cards (no more downloading drivers and creating xorg files)
Thats just the stuff why i use openSUSE not because why i don’t use Ubuntu, although some do apply.
Personally i used to distro-hop all the time, but have been with openSUSE 13.1 since it came out,
though i do get the odd temptation now and again to go back to Debian.
On 2014-09-22, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> To what you both have said, I agree. Well, I’d change «DE ambivalence»
> with «DE multivalence»
> (I understand that “ambivalence” refers to two items only)
Not sure, but I’m certain that you’re right to point out my usage of ambivalence' is somehow wrong. I think strictly, ambivalence’ refers to having opposing opinions on the same thing simultaneously (e.g. love+hate) and that’s definitely
not what I mean. I will correct myself:
I simply use openSUSE because I choose it in the past (do not know if I can reproduce the reasons, but I assume YaST is a important one).
And as long as it does what I expect it to do, I jhave no urge whasoever to even looking to another disrtibution. So I can not compare because I never tried.
I always ask myself where people find all the time running almost every distribution they heard of. For me it is a tool to get jobs done. I do not change my heating every other day, just to compare it with another. And there are many more tools like this, TV, car, …
Best KDE distro - I admired Gnome when I first saw it in the 1990s but, since then, it seems to me to have got into an unhelpful rut.
Helpful forums
Separate /home partition by default - I just installed Mint on another computer and was astonished that it did not install a separate /home partition by default
Supports all desktops - KDE, Gnome, Xfce, LXDE, Enlightenment - which means I do not have to install different distros to show XP refugees the different desktops
Sensible migration from KDE3 to KDE4; I can still run KDE3 apps alongside KDE4 without any clashes
Best commented configuration files of any distro - I was amazed at how many things which I take for granted on openSUSE had to be explained in the Introduction to Linux course for Ubuntu users.
Earlier, support for Novell patches to OpenOffice which meant the openSUSE version of OpenOffice was always ahead of any other.
All answers were intersting. In my case, I started with openSUSE and sticked with it ever since And I like RPM more than apt and YaST I think is one of the best GUI tools for administrating a Linux.
What makes Zypper that awesome? I never really used it… What makes it more convenient than other admin tools?
User friendly for my relatives and friends that I force openSUSE upon >:)
Switching DE whenever I want
Rolling and stable release to choose
If you try to fork, we will knife you
Had some newer hardware and guess what distro never fails to install
Its not a dictatorship, community matters
…And the list goes on
I am replying to this thread from Ubuntu 14.04 and downloading the Beta1. Just wanted to check out the competition and here is why its only couple of days in Ubuntu land:
Unity is the last DE I would ever use,
PPA system is a joke
In openSUSE I use the command line to get things done faster, in Ubuntu you just have to (so much for user frendly)
Software Center/App Grid is a pain
Dont want to rant too much my Beta1 downloads are done,
Just use whatever floats your boat, it does not matter if the distro is user friendly or not, Rolling or LTS etc…
openSUSE rocks my boat, question is does it rock yours? lol!.
On 09/22/2014 03:46 AM, pinguin74 wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am curious to know, why do you still use openSUSE Linux?
>
> What do you like about openSUSE that makes you prefer this distro?
>
> Others, especially Ubuntu were started to create a simple to use, maybe
> even user friendlier distro. Ubuntu really has started a big hype around
> it.
>
> Why don´t you use Ubuntu? Why openSUSE?
Ubuntu… first and foremost, this distribution which is built on a lot of
Debian totally ignores a lot of the documentation surrounding Debian and often
times recommends solutions that are not the correct way to do things.
That is to say… Ubuntu doesn’t comprehend what they have.
Ubuntu does really, really stupid things that threaten the overall security of
the platform…
For me, openSUSE and SLES are smarter. Not perfect, but smarter.
I think you said it best, “Ubuntu really has … big hype”.
Possibly a reluctance to learn and with some things maybe having been spoon fed by Yast. Possibly that openSUSE actually does some things well. I find (well outside the initial problems with KDE4), it’s KDE integration excellent and (although there seem to be loads who slam rpm and say deb is the way), its software management excellent.
Possibly it’s that when I’ve tried some of the more popular distos (in particular Ubuntu) I’ve not really felt them to be what I’ve wanted (although on distro’s I put Fedora on our laptop recently when I couldn’t get OpeSUSE to work for me and quite liked the look of it).
Possibly it’s because Suse was the one that led to my own breakaway from Windows. I’d half tried others before but this attempt (with more determination on my part as Win2K was at an end) was the one that worked for me (I tried a couple of others at that time but SuSe was the one that felt right for me) and it holds some sentimental value for me.
Having had a spate of problems with a couple of upgrades lately, I’m again thinking of a change and remain slightly unconvinced by the OpenSUSE responses (I know I provoked it and was aggressive in tone but the It’s you and 1000s of others have no problem isn’t really an answer and when trying, as suggested to address one of my problems, my post yesterday has to date received no reply). At times it does feel that with my nature I’d be better of say on Ubuntu forums…
But then you have to balance that with the fact that OpenSUSE has served me so well for maybe 10 years…
I find openSUSE to be a “middle of the road” distro.
OpenSUSE supports open source and works with upstream projects but is not as “rabid” as some Red Hat/ Fedora seems to be. It also doesn’t “forge ahead” and “make its own path” requiring it to maintain more of the system themselves to make it all fit, as Ubuntu seems to be fond of.
2. Good selection of applications
While Ubuntu seems to have the largest selection of applications pre-packaged for installing on their system, the OBS provides a number of applications beyond the repositories for openSUSE.
3. Friendly, worldly forum
I find the forums here to be mostly pleasant and helpful. Plus I find it fun and fascinating to be posting with people from so many different places inside and outside of the USA. I find it fascinating to see other people’s points of view, expectations and thoughts.
4. Green is my favorite color
rotfl!
5. More pragmatic
I don’t find so much anti-Microsoft of anti-anything from the forum members here. I do use Microsoft products, and they have their place even though I prefer running Linux on my personal systems.
Actually, who says I don’t? :sarcastic:
I am definitely more familiar with Ubuntu and find a love/hate relationship with that distro. One the one side it seems to be the most polished distro for general users and provides the largest selection of applications (including for-pay applications). Easy to maintain, I can largely install-and-forget the system and with LTS versions, do not have to jump with every release. For example, the family desktop computer is running 12.04 and I am not in a rush to upgrade it.
Some things Ubuntu/Canonical does I am not overly happy about, though from a business point of view they may make sense. Also with Unity it seems the Ubuntu developers are being focused into a particular direction. While it provides some great opportunities, pretty good experience and stability it also is something not available to other distributions. This not only limits the availability of things like Unity to Ubuntu-only, Unity also made Gnome shell incompatible for a period of time which limits choice some. I think it is better, but not perfect.
I like Unity, but I don’t like the lock-in. I like some of the features it provides (web apps) but others come-and-go on a whim (Ubuntu One).
So the family desktop is running Ubuntu 12.04, the netbook is running Xubuntu 14.04 and my personal laptop is running openSUSE 13.1.
When IBM abandoned OS/2, I tried Linux. I got very confused with the redhat installation, dropped the idea. After a while, I tried a couple of other distributions, couldn’t get them installed, dropped the idea. Managed to install Mandriva, liked what I saw, but found it couldn’t be a daily user. dropped the idea. I downloaded a copy of SUSE, I think 7.something. Holy cow! It not only installed, it worked! It had tools I could actually use to get things working! Not quite ready to replace Windows NT, but really getting there. I found all the help I needed, from people who didn’t expect me to know all they did, who were patient with newbes, who really helped others get things done. I stayed with SUSE, through the Novell days (a huge worry for one who had been through other Novell acquisitions) and to this very day.
Yes, I try other distros. I simply cannot stand Ubuntu, for any number of reasons, many personal.
I do have a copy of Fedora installed on this machine that has been patched to run Netflix (;)), and it works just great.
I tried Arch, and decided I didn’t want the amount of administration involved, although I admire those users.
I tried to install Mageia on my laptop, it wouldn’t go.
I have finally adopted a policy for installation that I will start the process, set up the partitions the way I want, set the time zone, set the root password, set up a user, and go eat dinner while the process completes. If, when I return, I don’t see firefox up on the screen, connected to the internet, I remove that distro! openSuse does that for me every time! No hardware hassles, no fighting with software over partitions, nothing. It just works!
Once it’s installed, I have available, the greatest support team in the world right here! I am almost always amazed at how fast, accurate and thorough the participants of this team are. I do a lot of lurking on the forums, and I get an education you couldn’t buy!
Each time I try a different distro, I find my choice of openSuse to be confirmed as the correct one for me. That’s why I stay with openSuse.