where is the "Strategy" discussion thread

in the ‘more’ part of this post http://tinyurl.com/38th7b9 today the
writer says on the trategy for the openSUSE Project: Proposals and
Discussions:

“To have a focused discussion, we like to handle the discussion as
follows on both opensuse-project mailing list and the openSUSE forums:
[snip] We will start discussing the community statement now in its own
thread. [snip]”

but, i can’t find the thread started in any forum…anyone know where
to look?

and, can anyone tell me why “the community” can’t find a way to
include the 40,000+ members of the openSUSE forums and all users in
general as anything other than “everyone else” in the statement:

“We are the openSUSE Community - a friendly, welcoming, vibrant, and
active community. This includes developers, testers, writers,
translators, usability experts, artists, promoters and everybody else
who wishes to engage with the project.”
cite: http://tinyurl.com/2ve2m94

or, maybe i missed the point: maybe “the community” has specifically
excludes those who are “just users”…

to me (my opinion) this is a shameful way of clearly and
specificially excluding all who contribute via the forums…all us
‘everybody elses’

i saw exactly the same attitude when “the community” came to the forum
and asked for help in building up a newer/better wiki…

but, we couldn’t ‘join’ the “wiki team” until we had been “mentored”
during a disjointed, unorganized and unhelpful IRC ‘meeting’ which
prepared no one to do anything…and left more questions hanging than
answered…

i personally put in about 20 or more hours editing the guidance that
was to be covered during the “mentoring session” to TRY to make it
rational and understandable prior to the meeting…and, then a few
weeks later, when i noticed that none of those ‘mentored’ had been
added to the list of folks ON the “wiki team” i decided to stop trying
to help…

there is a HUGE divide between developers and users…and, it is not
getting any less a barrier to progress.


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oh, now i see it was started in polls after i’d looked in every
forum for it…

i’ll comment there…


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or, maybe i missed the point: maybe “the community” has specifically
excludes those who are “just users”…

to me (my opinion) this is a shameful way of clearly and
specificially excluding all who contribute via the forums…all us
‘everybody elses’

This sounds a bit mistrustful. For example the term “everybody else” in the openSUSE-statement is most probably not meant to distinguish the “real contributors” from “less important contributors”. To me it rather sounds like it tries to state that everybody who takes part in whatever way is a member of the community. Forums are an important part of that community, there are other parts which haven’t been mentioned in this statement as well (what about the packagers?) - I suppose mostly for stylistic reasons, endless run-on sentences just don’t read well. I wouldn’t take it too personal and I’m sure for an outsider this statement simply sounds inviting. At least that is obviously the goal. It’s not aimed at us and not meant to honour every possible contributor.

Let’s continue this in the other thread and close the thread here, please. Exactly, it was not meant to exclude Forums - but if you feel that way, let’s improve the text so that it works for a broader audience :wink: