I’ve got a 3GHz Atlon 64 desktop on which I’ve just installed Opensuse 11.2 RC1.(KDE4)
When I got rc1 installed (faster, and you fixed the partitioner, great) I end up with an unadjustable video display. (at 800X600)
I’m using an Acer X193W monitor and a GEForce 6100 graphics card.
When I go to hardware in YAST there is no longer a section dealing with the video card and monitor.
I have discovered a display setting in the KDE desktop settings, but that doesn’t seem to have any provision for setting drivers, etc.
What’s going on?
Where do I reset my monitor to a reasonable display?
Its no longer in Yast2, its under the menu’s under system> configuration> configure x11 system (sax2)
Apparently it might not be there in the 11.2 final, to prevent this from happening as the KDE monitor settings tool can screw things up join me on my openFATE request to keep Sax2 and its GUI available so we dont have to use terminals or manually edit xorg to get our needed monitor/ graphics card settings:
He means the main menu by the way robertsmits, just in case you didnt know.
But yeh idiotically Sax2’s GUI might be gone in the future and if openSUSE doesnt detect your graphics card you are stuck at low res and bad graphics performances unless you use the terminal.
I think its nonsense, for new users this is a disaster as it means they are forced to use the terminal.
One should not have to, I thought the goal of openSUSE was to have an easy to use feel to it, but resorting to terminals when it should not be needed is not what I call user friendly.
its my biggest gripe on Ubuntu, if it fails to detect graphics cards you are forced to use workarounds in the terminal.
Sax2’s GUI MUST remain
That might be true, but not user, especialy newbie, friendly. The way to configure your system hardware in openSUSE is most logicaly: YaST > Hardware > … It is unimportant if there is a sax behind it as it is unimportant for many people that zipper is behin YaST > Software > …, etc.
May be a DE may give the individual users a tool to vary on the default system settings, but the system settings (to be done by root) must be there on a logical place.
Thanks for your comments Henk - I completely agree with you. I want my opensuse system to be fast, reliable and nice looking, but I’m not at all crazy about having tools I depend on moved about.
The KDE4 display tool just doesn’t work for me - it has no settings for monitor or graphics card, for example. Lets just keep sax2, put it back where it belongs in YAST and dump the KDE4 adjustment tool.
I can see this move is going to be extremely unpopular with some users who require manual configuration to obtain optimal settings for their display devices.
I guess ATI and NVIDIA users at least have the ‘amdcccle’ and ‘nvidia-settings’ GUI tools available if required.
Then attach the appropriate tool to YaST so that the newbie can get to it intuitively.
I predict an considerable amount of threads in the Forums about people that can not find how to configure their graphics card. Already now there are many threads about this phenomenon, including “I can not get to the GUI at all”. Will all the the many answers “run sax2 in this way” will be obselete?
Then attach the appropriate tool to YaST so that the newbie can get to it intuitively.
I predict an considerable amount of threads in the Forums about people that can not find how to configure their graphics card. Already now there are many threads about this phenomenon, including “I can not get to the GUI at all”. Will all the the many answers “run sax2 in this way” will be obselete?
I completely agree with you Henk, and was going to say the same re anticipation of threads concerning graphics and monitor problems.
Hopefully, a replacement (yast) tool can be developed asap, or graphical sax2 reinstated for now.
I vote on both
it is important to have sax2 in yast
that was really bad idea to remove it from.
the main concept of SuSE was allcan be configured from yast. Why display
keyboard, mouse, tablet…
I am surprised it has no any mouse and keybord settings.
Take it back!!!
it is only one place to change ru ua en keyboard switch shortcut. And
because of this, have problems whith login now
I am some… boiled with this. Is their nothing to do in distro… Why it
was needed to break thing that was well working???
really confused… of this.
I take this as a kind of provocation from some other distro. YaST always was
a one place where new user could start from. Tat is a strengthest side of
disto and somebody mad it wick (with something in his mind)?
but as for YaST logo - logo is great
hope all that I said more or less understandable.
I am think that if something is needed to add in in YaST is very Welcome.
But removing something from yast should be very, very -vvvvvvvvvvv carefull
I am does not care about some KB of disk space.
I am very disappointed because sax2 in yast is no longer there.
What a stupid idea.
And Why is there still no better seperate option for tablets.
This can not be set in yast or in the KDE desktop settings.
I think you all are forgetting something: the best thing for every user, newbie or ‘omnipotent penguin’, would be full automatic hardware detection and configuration. AFAICS this is getting close.
From my RC1 install experience on my main machine, I can say I’m surprised. Just installed the NVIDIA driver (the hard way, I never install from the repos), with a perfect running desktop result. While running KDE4 I plugged in my Wacom tablet: fully functional on hotplug.
Then again: this is this big a change in configuring a system, that it should have been announced in bold capitals. With instructions on where to find the config settings from here on.
Detection, yes but configuration? Surely the whole point of configuration is to allow you to set up the machine how you want it. For example I run XP and 11.1/KDE on my 14" SXGA Thinkpad at 1024x768 just the same as my other XGA TP (saves squinting - age thing you know :)) And it was nice & easy to change that from YAST; not so easy with 11.2
A lack of easy to use, consistent config tools has been a valid criticism of Linux and this change seems to make things that bit more difficult.
Yes I know there are always ways around these issues, and for some of us part of the fun is figuring out those workarounds. But IMO this is a backward step !
With that moan over, apart from the ipw2200 fw not being included in the LiveCD, network manager not working, and every iteration of openSuse making my Thinkpads’ ATI graphics seem more antiquated and less capable :(, I must say it’s looking like being a particularly slick release.
A lack of easy to use, consistent config tools has been a valid criticism of Linux and this change seems to make things that bit more difficult.
Yes I know there are always ways around these issues, and for some of us part of the fun is figuring out those workarounds. But IMO this is a backward step !
I agree. Autodetection is fine, until it doesn’t work (even if for a minority of users). A simple, unified, graphical tool, capable of creating xorg.conf when/if required would apparently be appreciated by some inexperienced users. Some will argue, that you may not even get a desktop with problematic graphics hardware, but failsafe mode (with vesa driver) offers a more user-friendly environment from which to download and configure proprietary drivers, than a CLI (text console) mode might. The same is true with sax2.
Agreed! Centralized configuration should always be the ultimate goal of an OS. Step backwards … you bet! Deal breaker … absolutely. Auto-configuration is great for the 45% of the time when it works for everyone but then there’s the 55% out there who have special needs or hardware issues. IMHO Novel is going down the M$ path of removing key features figuring that no one will notice. I was considering 11.2 after release, but if they are taking away tools that really don’t kill that much hdisk space and heading down the de-centralized path, I will stick with 11.1 or drop the distro until they wise up!:\