When will we see an openSUSE 11.1 or openSUSE 11.0.1 or something that will include the final version of Firefox 3 or KDE 4.1?
Firefox 3 will likely be an update. It is being released on Tuesday, and I’m sure it will be in the update repos shortly after that.
You can run KDE 4.1 beta on openSUSE 11 right now.
Talk is that openSUSE 11.1 will be released in December.
That is very soon after 11.0. … I like the optimism but I confess to having healthy skeptism.
I plan to visit North American in Jan-2009, taking with me the latest openSUSE (11.0 or 11.1) to install on my mother’s PC (it is currently running 10.2). … More likely it will be 11.0 that I install, as I will presumeably by then, have had more time to test 11.0 and prove I am completely happy with the stability of 11.0 over a number of months of use.
I maintain my mother’s PC from Europe, and hence stability (ie a PC that does not crash, and that successfully boots every time, with out fail) is essential for me to do my “continent away” remote maintenance.
Too bad it’ll be so long before openSUSE is really “ready”. KDE 4.1 will be stable enough, and who wants to have to needlessly install updates for Firefox to take it out of RC status?
Not that KDE 4.0 and Firefox RC3 aren’t good, but the openSUSE DVD is a pretty big download…
sigh Maybe I’ll work off the live cd install for now, and get the full dose of openSUSE during Winter… or…
How easy is it to upgrade the entire system to 11.1 from 11.0? Forgive me, but as you may see from my user name, I’m still pretty much a Mac/Windows user only right now (haven’t had much experience with Linux yet)… in those OSes, you can update from one service pack or sub-version to the next with three clicks (something like menu>system update>install update of a few hundred MB)… is it this easy in openSUSE? No worrying about setting repositories or anything, just a simple software update GUI for a couple clicks system-wide upgrade?
I think the reason for it being so soon is mainly because of software.
KDE 4.0 -> 4.1
Gnome 2.22 -> 2.24
Firefox 3RC -> 3.0.x
etc
These are obviously (imo) good reasons to offer 11.1 around December
Then wouldn’t it just make more sense to have more 11.0.X releases? Have one in July for KDE 4.1 and Firefox 3, have another in September for GNOME’s update, and when there is significant changes to openSUSE itself then release the 11.1 upgrade? It wouldn’t hurt anything, it could just be like regularly re-compiled versions of 11.0 that is simply up-to-date to minimize the downloading needed upon a new install.
Not really, usually suse has 9-11 months release cycles (varies), so they just cut a few months a development
That system ain’t broke, but there’s gotta be something wrong with it.
I’m not a Mac nor Windows user, with my having left Windows in 1998, missing the entire win98, 98se, 98me, xp, and now vista OS. I can say with my limited experience with Windows is: while it may have been planned to be as easy as you note, … it never was that easy, with problems cropping up during what should (but was NOT) a simply couple click system-wide upgrade :eek: … instead on more than one occasion required a complete Windoze re-install after a disasterous service pack update attempt.
I don’t have any Mac experience myself, but I have had friends who are Mac users, tell me horror stories.
Reference openSUSE, note we are talking a new version… which is IMHO much more extensive than any Mac subversion update. Hence the openSUSE update is SIGNIFICANTLY greater than anything we are talking about the Mac or Windoze. In such an update, not only is the OS being replaced with a new kernel and new GNU-Linux OS basics, but all the applications are also being updated. Going from 10.x to 10.x+1, in comparison to what I have seen on (disasterous) Windoze service pack updates, has the openSUSE updates being much much much more massive. In truth, there is no real comparison, as the openSUSE update is so much bigger.
Now the recommendation is to always keep a separate partition for /home. And when updating openSUSE to a new version, ensure that the old /home partition is not reformatted but rather re-assigned to be the new /home partition.
I always do a clean install, but because I keep the /home, all my old emails, browser bookmarks, custom desktop settings, chat program settings, application configurations, etc … are preserved, even though the entire OS and practically every application has been updated.
Not sure if I answered your question, … and apologies if my critical views about Windoze doesnt’ match yours, but I simply have limited experience with Windoze, and when I do jump on a Windoze machine, it tends to be a pathetic unmitigated disaster, due to my lack of Windoze experience.
That’s wrong, the release date of next openSUSE release is mainly defined by where it fits in best between the releases of the next enterprise products.
Imagine upgrading XP to Vista without doing a reinstall 
I usually backup my /home onto another drive, and reformat everything (don’t like my old config mixing with my new one)
macosxp wrote:
> some-guy;1819384 Wrote:
>> Not really, usually suse has 9-11 months release cycles (varies), so
>> they just cut a few months a development
>
> That system ain’t broke, but there’s gotta be something wrong with
> it.
>
>
And you think the fix would be to have releases every time a project
moves up a version number (ie- KDE, Gnome, etc.)? I believe that would
“break” the system even more.
macosxp wrote:
> Too bad it’ll be so long before openSUSE is really “ready”. KDE 4.1 will
> be stable enough, and who wants to have to needlessly install updates
> for Firefox to take it out of RC status?
>
What do you mean it will be long befor openSUSE is “really ready”? What
constitutes as “really ready” to you?
> Not that KDE 4.0 and Firefox RC3 aren’t good, but the openSUSE DVD is a
> pretty big download…
>
>
Or you could purchase it and not worry about the download.
So you have the option to do a clean install, but if you back up the /home partition it is similar to doing an upgrade install rather than a clean install for Mac or Windows?
Just how easy is it to back up that partition and later restore it, for someone with only one hard drive.
And by “really ready” I meant ships with the web browser and desktop environment versions widely considered ready for public use.
You just make 3 partitions, /, /home, and swap.
When you do a clean install, go to super-expert partitioning, and then make it reformat /, and mount as /, and (without formatting!!) mount /home as /home
After the install, you just install all your software back, and reboot (it’s not a good idea to instal 50+ packages and not reboot, trust me ;))
The only thing that isn’t really ready, is KDE4, firefox3 is very stable other than an occasional crash
Everything else is fine 
LOL. I’m just waiting 40 more minutes for Firefox 3.0 And thank you for the info.
…that’s exactly right, which is why I would think they went from 10.3 to 11.0 now…