What's the procedure to move a thread?

Someone posted a thread about postfix in the hardware 64 forum. I asked
he moves the thread to network forum before responding, because
responding via nntp and then moving halfway is a mess. He is new,
doesn’t know how to ask for a move, and I don’t either because I don’t
use the web.

View this
thread here


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

Does it work to use the spam reporting icon, and request the move in the associated message?

Whenever a request hits the mods, a warning is placed in the thread on behalf of the NNTP users, a 10 minute delay is kept, then the thread is moved. Some do use the report button.

Have posted the “procedure”, addressed to OP in the referenced thread. :slight_smile:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:06:01 +0000, Knurpht wrote:

> Whenever a request hits the mods, a warning is placed in the thread on
> behalf of the NNTP users, a 10 minute delay is kept, then the thread is
> moved. Some do use the report button.

And, in fairness, the warning placed in the thread doesn’t always
happen. The staff does their best but we’re not perfect. :slight_smile:

Reporting the post is the best option. That keeps additional non-related
messages out of the thread and keeps it on topic.

The same is the case if you happen to respond to a thread that moves, BTW

  • if you do that, please visit the web page and report your post rather
    than replying in the thread that you didn’t realise that the thread had
    been moved (or that there was no warning, or whatever). If you reply to
    your post, that makes for more work for staff.

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

That’s a new one. :slight_smile: Since you’re making policy on the hoof, don’t forget to change the instruction presented in response to pressing the report button.

On 12/11/2012 06:46 PM, consused wrote:
> don’t forget to change the advice presented in response to pressing the report
> button.

good idea…or, consider a wrongly placed post as ‘rude’… :slight_smile:


dd

:smiley: and one of the mods will duly remove the offensive post.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:46:02 +0000, consused wrote:

> hendersj;2510236 Wrote:
>>
>> Reporting the post is the best option. That keeps additional
>> non-related messages out of the thread and keeps it on topic.
> That’s a new one. :slight_smile: Since you’re making policy on the hoof, don’t
> forget to change the advice presented in response to pressing the report
> button.

It’s just kinda annoying to have to move an unrelated post that says
“nobody told me the thread was moved!” that doesn’t add anything to the
actual discussion. I’ve had to do that on more than a few occasions.

Yes, it /would/ be easier if all staff did things exactly the same way.
But nobody’s perfect, and pointing out minor imperfections in the system
really isn’t going to change the fact that everyone makes mistakes from
time to time.

In a perfect world, one of two things would happen: 1) posters would
always post in the correct forum. 2) We would have the time to modify
the gateway to delete the thread in the old location and recreate it in
the new location so it would appear to have actually “moved” on the NNTP
side.

But most of those who use the NNTP interface know (from years of having
been told so) that it’s a secondary interface and does not have the same
features as the web interface. There will be shortcomings and there will
be glitches. While we’re happy to have issues reported, it is what it is

  • and for those who use it, we’re sorry, but you’ll just have to live
    with the shortcomings until such time as we can take some time to sort
    them out.

We’ve had more serious issues to deal with, after all, than a lack of
notification that a thread’s been moved for the handful of NNTP users
(and I count myself in that group - and have been bitten by the “thread
moved without notification” issue. <shrug> It happens.)

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

Yes, your detailed explanation should satisfy anyone to report the thread/post and to encourage newcomers likewise. However your reply didn’t appear to address my suggestion to amend the reporting mechanism’s instruction to the user:

Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts.

I suggest it shouldn’t exclude “a request for a thread to be moved”, as it does now.

Although it is the logical way to report a misplaced thread, once upon a time the wording discouraged me from using it. It may do same for newcomers at least.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:16:01 +0000, consused wrote:

> hendersj;2510276 Wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:46:02 +0000, consused wrote:
>>
>> > hendersj;2510236 Wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Reporting the post is the best option. That keeps additional
>> >> non-related messages out of the thread and keeps it on topic.
>> > That’s a new one. :slight_smile: Since you’re making policy on the hoof, don’t
>> > forget to change the advice presented in response to pressing the
>> report
>> > button.
>>
>> It’s just kinda annoying to have to move an unrelated post that says
>> “nobody told me the thread was moved!” that doesn’t add anything to the
>> actual discussion. I’ve had to do that on more than a few occasions…
> Yes, your detailed explanation should satisfy anyone to report the
> thread/post and to encourage newcomers likewise. However your reply
> didn’t appear to address my suggestion to amend the reporting
> mechanism’s instruction to the user:

Ah, I see - I hadn’t come away with that. I think that string is part of
what’s in the stock text in vBulletin, but I’ll take a look and see.

>> Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages,
>> and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts.
> I suggest it shouldn’t exclude “a request for a thread to be moved”, as
> it does now.
>
> Although it is the logical way to report a misplaced thread, once upon a
> time the wording discouraged me from using it. It may do same for
> newcomers at least.

That’s a good idea. :slight_smile:

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

On 2012-12-11 13:16, consused wrote:
>
> Have posted the “procedure”, addressed to OP in the referenced thread.
> :slight_smile:

Someone could have moved the thread already - it is the second day now,
and I have to refrain from answering his main question till it is moved.

I don’t want to make more work, either…


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

On 2012-12-11 20:56, Jim Henderson wrote:

> We’ve had more serious issues to deal with, after all, than a lack of
> notification that a thread’s been moved for the handful of NNTP users
> (and I count myself in that group - and have been bitten by the “thread
> moved without notification” issue. <shrug> It happens.)

Nobody has said anything about that here. The issue here is different.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

The OP acknowledged my post and did the necessary [PM]. The thread moved hours ago (now yesterday) :). Ready, steady, go!

On 2012-12-12 02:46, consused wrote:

> The OP acknowledged my post and did the necessary [PM]. The thread
> moved hours ago (now yesterday) :). Ready, steady, go!

Where to?

Unless somebody posts a new post telling that to nntp users, I can not
post to the new place.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:13:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2012-12-11 20:56, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> …
>
>> We’ve had more serious issues to deal with, after all, than a lack of
>> notification that a thread’s been moved for the handful of NNTP users
>> (and I count myself in that group - and have been bitten by the “thread
>> moved without notification” issue. <shrug> It happens.)
>
> Nobody has said anything about that here. The issue here is different.

My comment is more of a general comment about thread moving and the
complaints that are usually posted to a thread where the moderator hasn’t
posted a notification and waited 10 minutes before moving the thread.

Falls under the category of discussion of “how threads get moved”.

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

On 12/12/2012 06:35 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Falls under the category of discussion of “how threads get moved”.

which was not the topic of this thread…

the originating message thread asked how a user should ask for their
wrongly placed thread to be moved…

but a moderator responded not with what a user needs to do, but what a
mod is supposed to do…

and, then you defended those mods who forget what they should do–off
from the original topic and managed to swing the thread into “how
threads get moved”…which Carlos didn’t ask…

so all of this about how mods move threads (correctly, or not and
whether defendable or not) was totally unnecessary and off topic in
this thread…

on the other hand (since the thread is shot anyway), i would think that
if a mod is consistently unable to do a move in the way that best suits
the needs of the forum users (both questioners and answers), then s/he
should at some point no longer be shielded with “we’re not perfect” but
instead be retrained and motivated to remember the way it should be
done, next time.

ymmv


dd

On 2012-12-12 10:05, dd wrote:
> On 12/12/2012 06:35 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Falls under the category of discussion of “how threads get moved”.
>
> which was not the topic of this thread…
>
> the originating message thread asked how a user should ask for their
> wrongly placed thread to be moved…

Right.

> on the other hand (since the thread is shot anyway), i would think that
> if a mod is consistently unable to do a move in the way that best suits
> the needs of the forum users (both questioners and answers), then s/he
> should at some point no longer be shielded with “we’re not perfect” but
> instead be retrained and motivated to remember the way it should be
> done, next time.

I’m sorry to agree.

For example, this particular thread I was asking about as an example was
moved away, with no warning to nntp users: not on the original place,
not on the destination. Thus, with no notice of the move I have not been
able to start answering the OP till now.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)

On 12/12/2012 03:07 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Where to?

Network/Internet [nntp: opensuse.org.help.network-internet]
“Postfix/sendmail config issues”

the reason you couldn’t find it was because no one had yet posted to
that thread in its new place (until almost an hour after you here asked
where it is)

to solve both problems (for the nntp user) it would be best if the
moving mod were to post prior to moving something like:

“This thread will be moved to Network/Internet in ten minutes . . .”

and, then after the move post “Thread moved from Hardware 64 bits and
is open . . .”

that way, nntp users first reading the original in the old forum can
find its new place, and folks first happening on the thread in its new
spot can go back to the old spot and read the problem…


dd

On 2012-12-12 10:26, dd wrote:
> On 12/12/2012 03:07 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Where to?
>
> Network/Internet [nntp: opensuse.org.help.network-internet]
> “Postfix/sendmail config issues”
>
> the reason you couldn’t find it was because no one had yet posted to
> that thread in its new place (until almost an hour after you here asked
> where it is)

Exactly.

I just posted the answer I have delayed for two journeys.

> to solve both problems (for the nntp user) it would be best if the
> moving mod were to post prior to moving something like:
>
> “This thread will be moved to Network/Internet in ten minutes . . .”
>
> and, then after the move post “Thread moved from Hardware 64 bits and
> is open . . .”

Exactly :slight_smile:

I understand it is more tedious, that the nntp users are secondary, but
I also understand that the target goal is helping users, and I was
impeded from doing that.

> that way, nntp users first reading the original in the old forum can
> find its new place, and folks first happening on the thread in its new
> spot can go back to the old spot and read the problem…

Absolutely!


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)