Whatever Happened to Gnome Panel in openSUSE 12.1

On 2012-03-22 18:46, bkorb wrote:

> Now all I want to do is have multiple desk tops.

Try xfce. It has multiple desktops, in rows and columns if you wish. It is
similar to what gnome was.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Why not using Mate if you guys like Gnome2? It is just like the Gnome desktop you used to know, except that eveything that started with “gnome” now starts with “mate”. The distro which has the best support for mate is Mint.

MATE (desktop environment) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://features.opensuse.org/312946
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/community-fun/surveys-polls/467424-do-you-want-see-mate-repo-future-opensuse-2.html

The other alternative is Cinnamon, which runs on top on Gnome3 but with a Gnome2 look and feel.
Cinnamon (user interface) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is available for openSUSE - many thanks to @ketheriel!
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/473418-cinnamon-1-4-0-available.html

On 2012-03-23 00:16, please try again wrote:
>
> Why not using Mate if you guys like Gnome2? It is just like the Gnome
> desktop you used to know, except that eveything that started with
> “gnome” now starts with “mate”. The distro which has the best support
> for mate is Mint.

I like openSUSE, thanks :wink:

I understand that mate uses the “old” gnome2 libraries, and that will be a
problem in the end, as programs migrate to gnome3. It is similar situation
to KDE3.

If it is a complete fork, maybe they can keep it up. Dunno.

> The other alternative is Cinnamon, which runs on top on Gnome3 but with
> a Gnome2 look and feel.

But not quite…

For example, I miss a lot the ability to have a fixed number of desktops
ordered in rows and columns. Currently in 11.4 gnome I’m using 12 desktops
(4*3), and I know how to get to each left-right, up-down.

Today I discovered that XFCE does have this ability, and as it also uses a
lot of gnome components and libraries it is pretty comfortable. Apparently
the workspace switcher has bot properties and settings, which adjust
related but different things.

And xfce works fine as a virtual guest. Gnome3/cinnamon do not.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Gnome3 creates the workspaces on the fly. AFAIK it’s not possible to have a fixed number of desktops. It also resets the number of workspaces in metacity (despite metacity is used only in fallback mode). If you log out from gnome-shell and relog in in fallback mode, you’ll see only 2 desktops. I use this command in xinitrc and Xsession to reset the number of desktops to 9 (3x3) before starting a gnome fallback session. Just one more hack but it’s the only solution I have for now:

dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session gconftool-2 --type=int --set /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces 9

With some tweaking and theming, you can get fallback mode looking pretty much like Gnome2, except for a couple missing applets and the fact that it uses gtk3 instead of gtk2.

On 2012-03-23 01:46, please try again wrote:

> Gnome3 creates the workspaces on the fly. AFAIK it’s not possible to
> have a fixed number of desktops.

Which is a problem. I haven’t tried if it will save the layout on exit and
restore all the opened applications on their respective desktops, but I
guess it won’t (and I can’t try at home, as I have G3 as a guest in
vmplayer, means no hw accel, means safemode). It also only opens desktops
in only one direction, and I want them down and right, two axis. One axis
is limiting when you open 12 of them.

> If you log
> out from gnome-shell and relog in in fallback mode, you’ll see only 2
> desktops.

2 desktops is not enough for me.

> I use this command in xinitrc and Xsession to reset the
> number of desktops to 9 (3x3) before starting a gnome fallback session.
> Just one more hack but it’s the only solution I have for now:
>
> Code:
> --------------------
> dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session gconftool-2 --type=int --set /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces 9
> --------------------

Mmmm…

XFCE does it without tricks :slight_smile:


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

On 2012-03-23 01:56, please try again wrote:
>
> With some tweaking and theming, you can get fallback mode looking pretty
> much like Gnome2, except for a couple missing applets and the fact that
> it uses gtk3 instead of gtk2.

I didn’t manage it.

And some applets do not work in fallback.

For example, the weather applet is empty. Err, no that’s xfce.

I’m clicking all over the bar, and I can’t get to the remove applet thing.
I have one applet I want to remove, and I can’t. I had to run " killall
tracker-search-bar" to remove it.

The clock applet has the calendar weather and time of one or more
locations, but it requires root password to change the default location
(gnome 2 does not). This is actually what Linus Torvalds complained about.

The command line applet works partially. Not visible against the default
background, and incapable of launching apps. I wrote a bugzilla, got no
answer in months.

Ah, I can select “show workspaces in n rows”. Didn’t see that before, maybe
it has changed. One good thing.

Ctrl-up and ctrl-dn work changing the workspace. ctrl-right, ctrl-left do
not. Actually, this also happens in xfce, so it could be an vmplayer issue.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

I didn’t say it was easy. In fact, it requires time an a certain knowledge of Gnome and GTK.

Yes.

ALT + right click.

On 2012-03-23 03:06, please try again wrote:
>
> robin_listas;2450570 Wrote:

>> I didn’t manage it.
>
> I didn’t say it was easy. In fact, it requires time an a certain
> knowledge of Gnome and GTK.

Which is too much to ask of a user.

In 12.1, I abandoned ship for xfce, makes life easier. I still miss things
I had in G2, but I don’t have to fight it.

> robin_listas;2450570 Wrote:
>>
>> I’m clicking all over the bar, and I can’t get to the remove applet
>> thing.
>>
>
> ALT + right click.

Doesn’t work.

That opens the “preferences” if you hit inside the apple. Nothing in the
bar. Maybe there is a single pixel at the border of the applet where remove
is offered, I haven found it. In G2 is right click inside the applet, you
get preferences and remove from panel, both things. In G3 fallback, only
preferences.

I’m looking at both: I have G2 as host (11.4), and G3 as guest in vmplayer
(G3).


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

On 2012-03-23 03:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> In 12.1, I abandoned ship for xfce, makes life easier. I still miss things
> I had in G2, but I don’t have to fight it.

And it hurts. :-/

I have been a gnome “fan” for about 15 years.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

It works… but maybe not if vmplayer snaps the modifier key. That might be the problem. Without the modifier key, it opens the “preferences” indeed.

in G3 fallback:

  • right click -> “preferences”
  • Modifier (ALT) + right click -> “Move” and “Remove from panel”

On 2012-03-23 05:06, please try again wrote:
>

> It works… but maybe not if vmplayer snaps the modifier key. That
> might be the problem. Without the modifier key, it opens the
> “preferences” indeed.

Ah. I’ll try to remember and try in my training environment this afternoon.
Ah, no, there I don’t get fallbackmode… dunno. If I force fallbackmode,
it will be permanent?


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Of course not! You start gnome-shell with “gnome-session” (because it defaults to “gnome-session --session=gnome”) and gnome fallback with “gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback”. If you’re using a session manager (I bet you do), place this file in /usr/share/xsessions:

[Desktop Entry]
Name=GNOME Classic (No effects)
Comment=This session logs you into GNOME with the traditional panel without any graphical effect.
Exec=gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
TryExec=gnome-session
Icon=
Type=Application

Then you’ ll be able to log in in fallback from gdm … or whatever you use.

Hi
Install a SLED 11 SP2 instance in VirtualBox and give that a whirl :wink:

I have built the sonar theme for it on OBS, just looks like 11.4 :wink:


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
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On 2012-03-23 16:07, malcolmlewis wrote:

> Hi
> Install a SLED 11 SP2 instance in VirtualBox and give that a whirl :wink:

As you can only download SLED once in your life⁽¹⁾, I reserve that for the
occasion that somebody hires me to do it.

(1) You have to use your login to download sles or sled in order to test
it, and can use (meaning: update it) for a limited time. If decide not to
use it for the moment, and perhaps try it again another year, I can’t.

Unless I download it via the mule.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Hi
You can download it as much as you like, whenever you like, SLES or
SLED, you can use the activation code once, but doesn’t stop you
downloading…

No where in the install are you ‘required’ to enter any login
information, it installs the same as openSUSE except you have to
manually select the KDE desktop via software packages if you want
that…


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 3.0.13-0.27-default
up 1 day 7:53, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.05
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On 2012-03-23 22:56, malcolmlewis wrote:

> Hi
> You can download it as much as you like, whenever you like, SLES or
> SLED, you can use the activation code once, but doesn’t stop you
> downloading…

I attempted to download it about two weeks ago. It asked me to login to
Novell, so I had to quit.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Hi
Sure, same paswword/username for the forums


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
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On 2012-03-23 23:44, malcolmlewis wrote:

> Hi
> Sure, same paswword/username for the forums

So, if I login and download, I will not be able to do it again.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Hi
Sure you can login every day and download if you like… just don’t
grab an activation code until your ready to use the updates…

Then you can still download it even after you have used an activation
code.

I would also grab the sdk dvd as well.

Only DVD1 is required for install, dvd2 is just the src rpms, unless
you want that as well (they are dual layer dvd’s).


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
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up 1 day 8:55, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
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