Panel was a great assistance and convenience for day to day work. One could have all the usually used application icons in the panel and activate any application by just one click. Now one has to go in so many steps to the required application: Activities > Applications > Group (to which application belongs) > finally to the target Application. Not convenient! On the other hand, one does not like to clutter up the desktop with icons of needed applications like they do in MS Windows. That is a very confused way of working. Why do we have to copy after the Microsoft Windows. Opening Gnome 3 in openSUSE 12.1 made me feel as if I was working with Windows Vista or Windows 7. The panel was a superior way of working than the Windows way. We did not have to do away with it.
Why do the planners & designers of new versions take away from the users the ‘convenience of working’ practiced and got used to in the current application. For efficiency the practice of previous usage should remain in tact. Only the other intrinsic aspects of the software etc should be improved. I know this is the old debate but it has come to be felt with renewed force with Gnome 3 Desktop.
Finally the question: Is there a way to get the good old gnome-panel with Gnome 3 in openSUSE 12.1?
> Why do the planners & designers of new versions take away from the
> users the ‘convenience of working’ practiced and got used to in the
> current application. For efficiency the practice of previous usage
> should remain in tact. Only the other intrinsic aspects of the software
> etc should be improved. I know this is the old debate but it has come to
> be felt with renewed force with Gnome 3 Desktop.
IMHO, report usability bugs in Bugzilla. Politely, but firmly.
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Going to > user >System Settings > info > Graphics >Forced Fallback Mode > ON is not an answer, neither is try Xfce or KDE. The overriding point here is that with Gnome3 the developers have taken functionality away and replaced it with new functionality that a) nobody asked for and b) nobody seems to like. Personally, I don’t want to have to remember a whole load of shortcuts, neither do I want to have to go to the Activities button at the top left whenever I want to do anything. I think a good starting compromise here could be that the Favourites is fully configurable buy the user, behaviour, look and feel and everything and that it can be set to appear by just moving the cursor to the extreme left of the screen. There are other things wrong but getting this right to start with would make a big difference. To be fair, there is also a lot of good behind the scenes as well.
One more thing, about the gnome 3.2 panel (fallback mode).
I’ve lost an option to display it’s own windows on each virtual desktop. Where is it? Now each desktop has the same task bar items. Is it one of those everyday needed features that GNOME developers considered to be unnecessary for they users?
It is there software package. If you don’t like it, you can always develop your own >:(
I switched to KDE shortly after installing 11.3. I could already see that the Gnome developers seemed to be taking a “my way or the highway” attitude. So at that point, it was time to give up on Gnome. It was a close call between KDE4 and XFCE, but I slightly preferred KDE in spite of its bloat.
On 2011-11-19 11:06, Razorcold wrote:
> One more thing, about the gnome 3.2 panel (fallback mode).
> I’ve lost an option to display it’s own windows on each virtual
> desktop. Where is it? Now each desktop has the same task bar items. Is
> it one of those everyday needed features that GNOME developers
> considered to be unnecessary for they users?
Report in Bugzilla.
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
So much complaining. “Nobody likes …” is a silly statement. No doubt that there are people who don’t like <fill in YOUR favorite application/desktop/distribution> and others who love <fill in YOUR most despised application/desktop/distribution>. I happen to like Gnome 3/Gnome-Shell very much. The configuration options are nearly endless with the gnome-shell-extension framework.
So, you want it to behave more like Gnome 2? Great! I “Googled” gnome-shell-extension panel and the very first hit was GNOME Shell Frippery. I installed the Fedora 16 version of Frippery (who NAMES these things??) it and it worked quite nicely. (I personally don’t like the look and feel of it, but then again, I always removed the extra panel in gnome 2).
Please, do some searching (and I say this in the kindest way – not in a smarmy “STFW” manner) and check out what is out there. There are so many extensions available already and I’m sure more to come.
I been playing with Gnome 3 (openSUSE 12.1) on the tablet for a day now. For tablets it is rather nice, yet still very young and needs plenty maturing to be of real use straight out of the box. For instance on screen keyboard (caribou) needs some serious work to be usable at all, and need to be available when ever input is needed. Need much easier customizations that requiring editing of files to get desired effect. Yes, usability is still very lacking, but I give it 2 more years before using Gnome 3 again. Some thing happened from Gnome 1 to 2, wait 3 years before doing the switch. It takes about 3 years for the usability issues to be resolved.
As an alternative to Gnome 3 in a production office environment, I would use LXDE, and add various Gnome 2 applets to substitute missing functionality as LXDE and Gnome are GTK based.
I’ve droped out of opensSuSE and gone to Ubuntu 11.10. They listened to their users and provided a gnome fallback option. You have to download the package but so what? I don’t like some other issues with Ubuntu but I got my g2 back.
Sorry folks, but I just couldn’t stay an be punished any more.
I’m sorry, but I’ve only been using X windows for a mere 20 years and on my 1 day old installation of openSuSE 12.1 with Gnome, there is no apparent menu like that.
In fact, there is no apparent panel at all, despite docs that say there is always a minimum of 1. I switched to Gnome because KDE became so filled with
featuritis that it became unstable. KDE folks said, “go see your distro maintainers”. So Gnome has the same issue, too. Too many people coming
up with too much wonderful stuff to be able to get it completely functional and switching stuff around so long time users loose their bearings.
“But we asked our users and they liked it” was their response to terminal windows changing shape and not allowing me to specify a size. (since fixed.)
Now all I want to do is have multiple desk tops. I need the workspace switcher app to do that. To use that app, I have to have a panel. The panel has been eliminated. But there’s the new way to install an app: go to a gnome web page. Except yesterday’s fresh install is not recent enough to use that web page.
Be nice? After two straight days of pure aggravation and inability to get my work done, that is rather hard to do…
Except I am a recent refugee from KDE. It does look just like that. The work spaces are not intuitive. You have to be told how they work. You see them when you click “activities”, but I didn’t know that column was a column of workspaces. Nothing clear about it. Now I know. It even almost worked. You just have to download the gconf-editor so that changing work spaces changes both screens.