SuSE 11.0 - what is it? I tell u what…it is big disappointment…system is unstable, crashing constantly…KDE4 is poooooor, compiz is doing so strange things, crashing the system, gnome doing it too. System is runing on $2K Asus laptop and I am very unhappy. It is last SuSE which I installed in my life - sorry but I can’t rip a part my system every 6 months because u do more and more crap! Since v10.1, line of SuSE is S–T! The development team should focus on stability not on nice look. The last stable and great release was 9.3. Guys u do c–p! I will be honest with you and tell you that my sh-ty Vista is more stable thn SuSE 11.0 - tell you I use linux since 1996y and I am very good in it but I am tired in hacking the system to get it working well. Maybe instead of making new and new versions every 6 months would be better to make one and stable version once in 2 years. I am thinking about removing SuSE permanently from my computer and stay with Bill’s Vista or buy MAC and forget PC. Vista is sh-t but working surprisely well on my laptop. I can’t say it about SuSE anymore.
I am so disappointed in Linux recently. Time to move into OS X…
cashoob wrote:
> …software management is full or errors…this is ridiculus!
> I’ve tried 32 bit and 64 bit installations, both are bad!
> Shame on you!
>
>
“You” of course is … well you
openSUSE is a COMMUNITY developed distribution. Is is not
Novell’s SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, it does not even
have to work, though it’s nice if it does
Like any and all community based distributions, the best
thing to do is to HELP make the distribution better.
If you don’t want to do that… then shame on YOU.
(community means me and you folks)
In all fairness, I don’t have 11.0 running on anything
right now. 10.3 works for me, I will install 11.0 when
I get the media, and I will likely take some risks in
doing so… I mean it’s a .ZERO product. Regardless
there is ALWAYS some risk. People who get too stressed
out over change probably shouldn’t change, not without
doing a LOT more research. I think you fit in that
camp (?).
With that said, 10.3 is not a horrible distribution
and I recommend it as a fallback if 11.0 isn’t working
out for you. If 10.3 isn’t to your liking, then you
might want to look at a different distribution (e.g.
Fedora, Ubuntu, etc). Personally, they all have
their warts… I like openSUSE the best, but I won’t
poke an Ubuntu fan in the eye.
Oh well - this way we can say that MS Windows should be great because we pay for it, duh, but is not and what to do with it?!? Shame on me? Maybe not. If I do a thing I do it once and well. I do not sell or give away my product when I know that is not finished or not working. And who said that I do not help SuSE? …10.3 oh well, it works…somehow…Community project…oh well…we go around again…this way we can excuse everything…I think that is a time to make a decision if SuSE is going to be more and more unstable and new versions are going to be out every 6 months or we will see new release once in few years but one and rock solid. There is no explanation for bad work…Long time ago I did buy SuSE 9.3 from Novell but when after a year I did find no more support for it I gave up…dollars are not groving on the trees…I wish SuSE good time and run but without me…Good luck
Here is an idea for you. Why not, instead of ranting and complaining, file bug reports. Filing bug reports is much more productive.
Something else to consider. If lots of other users are touting openSUSE 11.0’s greatness, then you must be in the minority. The likely problem is not with openSUSE, but with your hardware.
You say you have been with Linux for a while…great! You say that you had to hack it everytime to get it to work. That alone should have told you something. So again, you could hack openSUSE 11.0 and get it working.
You obviously don’t want help. You just want to rant. Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. Keep in mind that rants are likely to produce rants against you.
A few years ago, I bought a new computer. When I installed SUSE I was not able to get the 3D working. My computer, at the time, had a Via video card. Now, I could have blamed Linux, but why? Was it SUSE’s fault? No! Was it Linux’s fault? No! In part it was mine. I didn’t properly research the system. I did get 3D working on that computer. It took me 2 years to do. Now I have a new computer, and so I no longer struggle with those issues. This time, I got a computer designed for Linux. So one could say, I learned my lesson.
In my opinion, and in my experience openSUSE 10.2, 10.3 and now 11.0 are extremely stable. Now with 11.0, I’m even happier because of the improved package manager stack and increased performance in general.
In my experience, Windows was complete crap. I had ntfs.drv load twice on bootup, and this occured twice. Once I was able to recover from. The second instance, I was not. This bug, was documented in Windows NT 4.1, and claims to be fixed with the SP. However, I found the bug still prevalent in NT 5.1 (that’s XP for those of you that don’t know). There were other things that i disliked, so I moved to Linux. I won’t ever go back to Windows.
Again, that’s my experience. You are entitled to your thoughts and opinions. You can also do as you like. No one is forcing you to use Linux or openSUSE. If you don’t like it…fine. You don’t have to keep it.
Posting a rant, such as what you did, is pointless and a waste of time. Either take Linux/openSUSE off, or file bug reports.
you do realize that this is probably exactly what the OP was aiming for, right? With his over the top rant provoking all kinds of serious responses the a point that was void to begin with. a cold shoulder would be a much more effective approach I believe since now he is getting what he wants. At the Fedora forum such nonsense would be banned in a heartbeat if the only purpose of the post was to moan and not thoughtful constructive interaction.
maybe we need a new forum section for banned posts so people can see what not to post or how to post it.
We had a lot of internal discussion between moderators and admins as to the approach we should take. It was quite a free for all discussion.
In the end, at least for the interim, was we decided we would be very free in what we allowed to post, as long as the forum T&C’s were not violated.
The complaints I have with user cashoob’s post is:
a. title is horrible and a waste of the time of many people who want to help, and not listen to rants. … he should have a more accurate title such as: SuSE-11.0 disappointing
b. the post should have been put under Soapbox, again because with the post located in “general” it is a waste of the time of many people who want to help, and not listen to rants. And unfortunately with our new interface to NNTP, simply moving a user’s post breaks the NNTP thread tracking.
I am sorry then. You know as I know that 10.1 was bad, and 10.2 was bad and 10.3 got better but not perfect, and as u say hardware is to be blamed - is it? For your information I did install it on few different computers lots of times and trust me I do bugs reports as well as rent but my point here is not to be some kind of Forum Troll but to rise a point: “Is there a need to release new version of the system every 6-8 months? And when it gets stable to kill it because there is out next 3 versions up so is no more support and updates, etc?” Was there a need for 11.0??? Very big need? Wasn’t better to keep 10.3 for 6-8 months longer and build it rock solid? What is so great about 11.0 what could not be build in 10.3? KDE4? KDE4 is a nice but I prefer 3.5 because 4 is still a child and should be made as a demo not as a permanent shell. 10.3 is working on my hardware and is working not bad but 11 is just crashing. I am not going to do debugs because I am tired. How many times I can do it? and what is a point if I find what is killing my system if in next 6 months will be 11.1 same bad as 11.0 is now. I think that u get focused not on the system stability but on shiny nice sparkles and you did forget the main linux idea which is to keep the system tidy and stable. Please ease this attacks on me because I am right here and the point is that I can’t use the system as permanent and can’t trust it. So if I cannot trust it I treat is as some kind of exotic experience. The some problem is with Fedora and Ubuntu and that is why I do not see a big future for this systems. And that is why Bill G is still winning because he knows that Linux is an exotic but not serious system. As long the system is not going to be stable release with support for long time, noone is going to use it permanently…the true is that it is not going to change because 1000 of BIG FUNS of the system will put crap on me now. I did use SuSE for 5 years as permanent system with WIN in VM same as my friends did and guess what? Some moved to Fedora some to Ubuntu but most to MS Vista…what does it mean? That people are tired of constant changes and problems because “hardware is bad for some releases”. Oh well that is life…and to understand it you need to grow up not to behave as 17 years old kids excited with code writing. Get is straight: you do not improve the system, every 8 month you turn it into bizarre freak. Congratulations!
besides if 10.3 is working for you why upgrade at all? It is not as if the release of OS11 suddenly broke 10.3 nor is it EOL yet.
if you want something that does not break, slow release cycles, stable, etc. I’d say drop the bleeding edgde communty distros and settle for CentOS (or debian stable).
Tho I’m not a moderator, my vote would be to
create a sub-forum under Soapbox, called RudeRant.
[Put a sticky there, explaining that the sub-forum is
where inappropriate posts are moved.]
This thread should then be moved there pronto…
it should NOT be allowed to remain in a
forum named General.
cashoob wrote:
> SuSE 11.0 - what is it? I tell u what…it is big
> disappointment…system is unstable, crashing constantly…KDE4 is
> poooooor, compiz is doing so strange things, crashing the system, gnome
> doing it too. System is runing on $2K Asus laptop and I am very unhappy.
> It is last SuSE which I installed in my life - sorry but I can’t rip a
> part my system every 6 months because u do more and more crap! Since
> v10.1, line of SuSE is S–T! The development team should focus on
> stability not on nice look. The last stable and great release was 9.3.
> Guys u do c–p! I will be honest with you and tell you that my sh-ty
> Vista is more stable thn SuSE 11.0 - tell you I use linux since 1996y
> and I am very good in it but I am tired in hacking the system to get it
> working well. Maybe instead of making new and new versions every 6
> months would be better to make one and stable version once in 2 years.
> I am thinking about removing SuSE permanently from my computer and stay
> with Bill’s Vista or buy MAC and forget PC. Vista is sh-t but working
> surprisely well on my laptop. I can’t say it about SuSE anymore.
>
> I am so disappointed in Linux recently. Time to move into OS X…
>
>
Actually, we do help as none here that I know of are developers. We are
just a bunch of volunteers trying to help the community as a whole.
