For some time now I’ve been asking myself if in 5 years, say, there will still be openSUSE 12.1, 12.2, and Tumbleweed.
Now, according to
https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap
(as of 2015-08-13)
there will at least be a new version of openSUSE, with the number 42.1.
I hope 42.1 will be as good and as stable as 13.1 was.
But who else than the openSUSE insiders may understand this naming convention ?
Will openSUSE 42.1 in the public still be perceived as something serious ?
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 22:56:01 +0000, ratzi wrote:
> For some time now I’ve been asking myself if in 5 years, say, there will
> still be openSUSE 12.1, 12.2, and Tumbleweed.
>
> Now, according to https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap there will at least be
> a new version of openSUSE, with the version 42.1.
>
>
> I hope 42.1 will be as good and as stable as 13.1 was.
>
> But who else than the openSUSE insiders may understand this naming
> convention ?
>
> Will openSUSE 42.1 in the public still be perceived as something serious
> ?
openSUSE 13.2 is one “product”.
openSUSE Leap 42.1 is a different “product”, based in part on the SLE
sources.
Jim
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Hi Jim!
openSUSE 13.2 for sure is a product like 13.1, 12.3-12.1, 11.4 … was.
My point is that not only people common to openSUSE need to understand the name of the product.
I’m not sure what the journals will write about a jump in version from 13.2 to 42.1 ?
The idea of Tumbleweed wasn’t bad at all !
But there should be stable versions like openSUSE 13.1 or 13.2 from time to time, at least to give journalists something to write about.
Why not call the new version TUMBLEWEED 42.1 ?
That would at least make it clear that it is based on a new approach.
And it could perhaps keep the door open for an openSUSE 13.3 or 14.1 to appear later, if desired.
Take windows X.
TUMBLEWEED existed before that.
But could you imagine that anybody would like to buy a windows X in 5 years, which then - in principle - is 5 years old ?
Oh, so boring.
Still or again, on the other hand, a mere jump in the version of openSUSE from 13.2 to 42.1 would be hard to understand for most people.
Believe me, I always enjoyed openSUSE, whichever version it had.
Mike
On 2015-08-13 02:46, ratzi wrote:
> My point is that not only people common to openSUSE need to understand
> the name of the product.
True.
> But there should be stable versions like openSUSE 13.1 or 13.2 from time
> to time, at least to give journalists something to write about.
Yes, and they will be called openSUSE Leap 42.1, etc.
> Why not call the new version TUMBLEWEED 42.1 ?
Because the new version is not Tumbleweed. It is different.
> And it could perhaps keep the door open for an openSUSE 13.3 or 14.1 to
> appear later, if desired.
It is open for anybody that wants and has the manpower to do it. But
probably the community will ask for another name to be added.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 00:46:01 +0000, ratzi wrote:
> My point is that not only people common to openSUSE need to understand
> the name of the product.
>
> I’m not sure what the journals will write about a jump in version from
> 13.2 to 42.1 ?
It’s not a jump in version.
It’s a different “product”.
openSUSE 13.2
openSUSE Leap 42.1
openSUSE Tumbleweed
Three products, not two.
Jim
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It’s a Leap.
(couldn’t resist)
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 16:46:01 +0000, nrickert wrote:
> hendersj;2723772 Wrote:
>> It’s not a jump in version.
>
> It’s a Leap.
>
> (couldn’t resist)
LOL
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Jim Henderson
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It’s a long time ago but I don’t think anyone wondered where S.u.S.E. 1, 2 or 3 went and, even earlier, there never was a dBASE I. I suspect that, given the Firefox and Google numbers, most people won’t even notice.
Hi Jim!
I count a bit different:
I thought that “openSUSE Leap 42.1” would be the successor of “openSUSE 13.2”,
like “openSUSE 13.2” has been the successor of “openSUSE 13.1”.
Am I wrong?
And what will be the next products, or versions? Is it
openSUSE Leap 42.1
openSUSE Leap 42.2
openSUSE Tumbleweed?
I just would like to know 
Mike
On 2015-08-14 01:46, ratzi wrote:
> I count a bit different:
>
> I thought that “openSUSE Leap 42.1” would be the successor of “openSUSE
> 13.2”,
Kind of, but not exactly.
> And what will be the next products, or versions? Is it
> openSUSE Leap 42.1
> openSUSE Leap 42.2
> openSUSE Tumbleweed?
Yes, but Tumbleweed is not the same product as Leap. Plus, Tumbleweed
has no versions. Well, it has something like a stamp.
It is like, say, the Renault 5 and the Renault 9. One does not follow
the other. They are independent. Yes, both have 4 wheels and one engine.
And both have different releases, based more or less on what year they
were made.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 23:46:01 +0000, ratzi wrote:
> I thought that “openSUSE Leap 42.1” would be the successor of “openSUSE
> 13.2”,
> like “openSUSE 13.2” has been the successor of “openSUSE 13.1”.
>
> Am I wrong?
You are - Leap is a separate product, with a different base.
> And what will be the next products, or versions? Is it openSUSE Leap
> 42.1 openSUSE Leap 42.2 openSUSE Tumbleweed?
The next products and versions, to my knowledge, are:
openSUSE Leap 42.2
openSUSE Tumbleweed
I haven’t seen anything about the 13.x product being continued at this
point. The efforts are all being shifted to Leap and Tumbleweed, with
the former being based on the SLE sources that SUSE has made available.
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 04:18:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2015-08-14 01:46, ratzi wrote:
>
>> I count a bit different:
>>
>> I thought that “openSUSE Leap 42.1” would be the successor of “openSUSE
>> 13.2”,
>
> Kind of, but not exactly.
>
>> And what will be the next products, or versions? Is it openSUSE Leap
>> 42.1 openSUSE Leap 42.2 openSUSE Tumbleweed?
>
> Yes, but Tumbleweed is not the same product as Leap. Plus, Tumbleweed
> has no versions. Well, it has something like a stamp.
>
> It is like, say, the Renault 5 and the Renault 9. One does not follow
> the other. They are independent. Yes, both have 4 wheels and one engine.
> And both have different releases, based more or less on what year they
> were made.
That’s a good analogy.
Jim
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openSUSE Forums Administrator
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from the website https://news.opensuse.org/2015/07/24/opensuse-releases-first-milestone-for-leap-2/
“The newest openSUSE release Leap 42.1, which is based on core SUSE Linux Enterprise source code”
i don’t like this. this is wrong .
all the while suse linux is commercial license while opensuse is cost-free project containing software that is released under GPL and/or GPLv2.
but by moving suse linux code to opensuse is same as telling us that there will be no more opensuse .
on website show only opensuse 13.2 license
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:License
where is Leap 42.1 license ?
if opensuse become suse-linux , then i will switch to other distro .:’(
On 2015-08-17 20:26, kobolds1 wrote:
> where is Leap 42.1 license ?
As 42.1 has not been published yet, there is no need to publish its
license yet. But my guess it that it will be the same as it was for 13.2
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
On Mon 17 Aug 2015 06:26:02 PM CDT, kobolds1 wrote:
from the website http://tinyurl.com/q2lgy6p
“The newest openSUSE release Leap 42.1, which is based on core SUSE
Linux Enterprise source code”
i don’t like this. this is wrong .
all the while suse linux is commercial license while opensuse is
cost-free project containing software that is released under GPL and/or
GPLv2.
but by moving suse linux code to opensuse is same as telling us that
there will be no more opensuse .
on website show only opensuse 13.2 license
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:License
where is Leap 42.1 license ?
if opensuse become suse-linux , then i will switch to other distro .:’(
Hi
Huh, it’s all released under the GPL, only difference is with SUSE you
pay for access to updates/support. If you have a valid subscription you
can download the src rpms…
With Leap, SUSE are giving openSUSE the src rpms and keeping it
updated, sounds all good to me…
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:26:02 +0000, kobolds1 wrote:
> “The newest openSUSE release Leap 42.1, which is based on core SUSE
> Linux Enterprise source code”
>
> i don’t like this. this is wrong .
>
> all the while suse linux is commercial license while opensuse is
> cost-free project containing software that is released under GPL and/or
> GPLv2.
No, SUSE Linux Enterprise is a commercial license, but the software
itself remains GPL (or MPL, or whatever the specific code is).
You are confusing the collection licensing (which for SLE includes
enterprise-grade support) with component licensing. Using SLE-provided
GPL source code is no different than using any other GPL source code:
It’s GPL.
Jim
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openSUSE Forums Administrator
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I have no problem with the new version following the SLE releases (except the name, you just have to admit it, openSUSE Leap 42.1 just sounds stupid…), but if that’s an almost different product, will I be able to upgrade to it from a 13.2? Or do I need a clean install for it?
I wonder what will be uniformized in the merge of the SLE and oS code. The 3 products (oSLE, SLED, SLES) might become even more similar to each other, given the same company watches over all three, making openSUSE just a free, (supportless?) version of the Enterprise series.
Except for the overuse of binary blobs in the Linux kernel, everything is GPL’d; that’s an absolute stipulation, if you use the GNU compilers. VMware is facing such an FSF lawsuit right now. That’s why developers should switch to the BSD licensing; the GPL is not a developer friendly license; it’s user friendly.
On 2015-08-20 13:16, Kry wrote:
>
> but if that’s an almost different product, will I be
> able to upgrade to it from a 13.2? Or do I need a clean install for it?
I hope so, but it is unknown at this point.
I will try to test the procedure myself, time and resources permitting.
> other, given the same company watches over all three, making openSUSE
> just a free, (supportless?) version of the Enterprise series.
No.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
I’ve just enabled openSUSE 13.2 to openSUSE Leap 42.1 testing in openQA
Each development build from now will have it tested, lets see how it fares…