Well it's better then Redhat ;)

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#1

I can’t find a proper place to post my impression of OpenSUSE so I will post it here. Heck consider the things I say I have troubles with as requests for help.

BIG BEEF ! OpenSUSE will not run VboxGuestAdditions out of the box like it should!

***** CRAZY NOVEL !!!

Really though it seems the problem is the security model because Redhat will not let you install it ether. I am probably just stupid but hay most people are stupid so you have to make it easy to… “Get Online”, and “Install in Vbox” after that the user can take there time to learn the system

I have been using Linux for 2 years now. I started on Ubuntu for a year and the past year I have been LOVING :shake: Archlinux. I have played with a few other distro’s but nothing comes anywhere close to the Stability, Ease of use, and Configurability of Archlinux. So, keep that in mind. Novel would have to do some mind-blowing things to even make me even consider using any other distro. Don’t take it personalty.

Ok, so I was playing around and downloaded and install Windows Server 2008. Now, I hate windows but WOW. Server 2008 is really nice. The whole Server Management GUI and just the nice layout of the GUI management applications for the Windows Server are really nice. If the OS was not CRAZY S.l.o.w I would see Windows 2008 as a real threat to Linux Server market share. The big deal killer is that Windows Server 2008 is based on Windows i.e. It is Crazy slow, Crazy Insecure, Crazy unstable, and you have to Reboot (which takes 30min’s) every-time you do anything.

But the fact remains that the whole GU interface and Server Mangement Tools are really nice… At first, I am sure after a few weeks I’d find problems.

So, I thought what dose Redhat and Novel have to compete with the nice intuitive Windows GUI’s.

I installed Redhat, CentOS (which it turns out “IS” exactly like Redhat), and OpenSUSE.

Redhat… Boy, I really expected more. They made “Some” nice GUI’s but it all looked old and were kind of a pain in the ass. I could not see myself using these tools. So in the end Redhat Desktop and Server are the same thing because the Server tools are useless. I’d just do everything in the shell on Redhat.

Now OpenSUSE w/KDE :slight_smile: I am really impressed. This is one distro I have never tried before. Novel has created a super nice Enterprise Distro. REALLY nice GUI Administration Tools. KDE helps a lot but even so Novel made vary nice tools. I love the default OpenSUSE Artwork. It looks vary good and professional out of the box. This is a big deal in a business environment. I am not going to install and setup nice themes for 30 laptops. That is a wast of time and time is money. On a home setup default artwork doesn’t matter so much. I love the Apparmor Tools. They are really nice. Ubuntu should have toughs sens Apparmor like “IS” the Ubuntu Security feature. I love the GUI for the user to set up there VNC “Server” super easy and opens the port on the firewall !!! This is way cool. I would like to point out more things but now X11 will not run because I tried to install VboxGuestAdditions… but you know what I am talking about. All thoughs little GUI tools make a world of difference between my Users getting aggravated or just checking the box “Open Firewall Port”. I love the GUI to manage the Services. I LOVE the RunLevel selection in this GUI ! This is way nice. All the secruety tools are setup really nice.

Some things I HATE about SUSE…

The package manager Is **** !!! I hate… Loath ANY installer that hides what it is doing. I click “install Updates” then “JUST LIKE **** WINDOWS!!!” it minimizes to the tray and then I have no **** idea what is going on. I have to watch my network traffic to get some idea if it is working or not. Even when working it is CRAZY M$ SLOW…

The layout of these forums is ****

I am sure the whole SElinux thing would drive me to drinking vary fast but hay that is what SU’SE’ is all about…

Other then the package-manager / updater being the worst thing ever invented. Nothing else really pissed me off to much.

So, if I was asked to set-up a Small to Enterprise business IT infrastructure. I would do it on SUSE. The users would love it. I would love it and the Owner would think, by looking at the vary good GUIS’s and Artwork, that SUSE Linux is a Vary High-end Enterprise IT platform.

Good Job Novel :wink:

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If you want to see what updates are available you may find the command
line options interesting… as I do not have OpenSUSE I can’t find a way
that is GUI-ish so start here and let me know what you find:

zypper lu #(list updates)
zypper up #(run updates)

There are a few million more commands as well that could help you find out
more about the package management options.

Good luck.

hunterthomson wrote:
> I can’t find a proper place to post my impression of OpenSUSE so I will
> post it here. Heck consider the things I say I have troubles with as
> requests for help.
>
> BIG BEEF ! OpenSUSE will not run VboxGuestAdditions out of the box like
> it should!
>
> F-ING CRAZY NOVEL !!!
>
> Really though it seems the problem is the security model because Redhat
> will not let you install it ether. I am probably just stupid but hay
> most people are stupid so you have to make it easy to… “Get Online”,
> and “Install in Vbox” after that the user can take there time to learn
> the system
>
>
> I have been using Linux for 2 years now. I started on Ubuntu for a year
> and the past year I have been LOVING :shake: Archlinux. I have played
> with a few other distro’s but nothing comes anywhere close to the
> Stability, Ease of use, and Configurability of Archlinux. So, keep that
> in mind. Novel would have to do some mind-blowing things to even make me
> even consider using any other distro. Don’t take it personalty.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> ----------------------
> ---------
>
> Ok, so I was playing around and downloaded and install Windows Server
> 2008. Now, I hate windows but WOW. Server 2008 is really nice. The whole
> Server Management GUI and just the nice layout of the GUI management
> applications for the Windows Server are really nice. If the OS was not
> CRAZY S.l.o.w I would see Windows 2008 as a real threat to Linux Server
> market share. The big deal killer is that Windows Server 2008 is based
> on Windows i.e. It is Crazy slow, Crazy Insecure, Crazy unstable, and
> you have to Reboot (which takes 30min’s) every-time you do anything.
>
> But the fact remains that the whole GU interface and Server Mangement
> Tools are really nice… At first, I am sure after a few weeks I’d find
> problems.
>
> So, I thought what dose Redhat and Novel have to compete with the nice
> intuitive Windows GUI’s.
>
> I installed Redhat, CentOS (which it turns out “IS” exactly like
> Redhat), and OpenSUSE.
>
> Redhat… Boy, I really expected more. They made “Some” nice GUI’s but
> it all looked old and were kind of a pain in the ass. I could not see
> myself using these tools. So in the end Redhat Desktop and Server are
> the same thing because the Server tools are useless. I’d just do
> everything in the shell on Redhat.
>
>
> Now OpenSUSE w/KDE :slight_smile: I am really impressed. This is one distro I have
> never tried before. Novel has created a super nice Enterprise Distro.
> REALLY nice GUI Administration Tools. KDE helps a lot but even so Novel
> made vary nice tools. I love the default OpenSUSE Artwork. It looks vary
> good and professional out of the box. This is a big deal in a business
> environment. I am not going to install and setup nice themes for 30
> laptops. That is a wast of time and time is money. On a home setup
> default artwork doesn’t matter so much. I love the Apparmor Tools. They
> are really nice. Ubuntu should have toughs sens Apparmor like “IS” the
> Ubuntu Security feature. I love the GUI for the user to set up there VNC
> “Server” super easy and opens the port on the firewall !!! This is way
> cool. I would like to point out more things but now X11 will not run
> because I tried to install VboxGuestAdditions… but you know what I am
> talking about. All thoughs little GUI tools make a world of difference
> between my Users getting aggravated or just checking the box “Open
> Firewall Port”. I love the GUI to manage the Services. I LOVE the
> RunLevel selection in this GUI ! This is way nice. All the secruety
> tools are setup really nice.
>
> Some things I HATE about SUSE…
>
> The package manager Is CRAP !!! I hate… Loath ANY installer that
> hides what it is doing. I click “install Updates” then “JUST LIKE F_ING
> WINDOWS!!!” it minimizes to the tray and then I have no F-ING idea what
> is going on. I have to watch my network traffic to get some idea if it
> is working or not. Even when working it is CRAZY M$ SLOW…
>
> The layout of these forums is crap
>
> I am sure the whole SElinux thing would drive me to drinking vary fast
> but hay that is what SU’SE’ is all about…
>
> Other then the package-manager / updater being the worst thing ever
> invented. Nothing else really pissed me off to much.
>
> So, if I was asked to set-up a Small to Enterprise business IT
> infrastructure. I would do it on SUSE. The users would love it. I would
> love it and the Owner would think, by looking at the vary good GUIS’s
> and Artwork, that SUSE Linux is a Vary High-end Enterprise IT platform.
>
> Good Job Novel :wink:
>
>
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#4

zypper lu #(list updates)
zypper up #(run updates)

Ya thoughs are what I ended up useing. It works out just fine. At the end of the day if someone is doing any real work on a Linux box the shell is where the work is done. I still don’t like zypper though. I wish it would download everything THEN install everything. Not this whole one at a time thing.

My focus wile writing this was what GUI tools SUSE has to offer in competition with the Windows server 2008. But, I still think that the GUI update should show you what it is doing wile it is doing it. That kind of thing drives me crazy.

#5

This is planned for 11.2.
OpenSUSE 11.2 - openSUSE

#6

Ya, your right. I need to make a blog to rant and rave.

#7

hunterthomson wrote:
> I can’t find a proper place to post my impression of OpenSUSE

oh no…was sitting here just waiting for the unbiased impressions of
a world renowned IT wizard such as yourself…

but then:

> … Archlinux … Novel would have to do some mind-blowing things to even make me
> even consider using any other distro.

so, why not just use Arch Linux (have trouble spelling that and
Novell, do we?)?

and you might consider posting your highly valued impressions on your
blog–after all, the whole world waits for your One True View!

btw, RANTS here belong in the forum which is for “Strong opinions
about mostly anything (no political or religious content)”
http://forums.opensuse.org/soapbox/

can hardly control my excitement while i await your next enlightening
and revealing IT Wizard’s Tome…

am now looking for it over there…

maybe we should rename the forum in your honor,
Hunter Thomson’s Soapbox!! with your name it would be a hit, no doubt!

–
platinum

#8

OK cool guy :rolleyes:

Can you read ?

The fist sentence told you this was just some bull someone wrote. Why did you read it if you don’t like reading dumb stuff people think? Obviously I am no IT wizard. I had no idea there was a forum for people to say what they thing for no good reason. I would have put it there. Then reading impaired people like yourself would not accidentally read a long rant.

#9

I’ve removed the objectionable language for you. Please be more circumspect in future.

I’m moving this rant to the soapbox area for you.

#10

DenverD/platinum, this is getting a bit aggressive, please draw back.

#11

> DenverD/platinum, this is getting a bit aggressive, please draw back.

actually, it was intended to be more light hearted than aggressive…i
guess i should have sprinkled in some of these: :wink: :slight_smile:

i just keep forgetting them…

–
platinum
oops…it is the first of the month and time to morph to another
precious metal [will soon be palladium]

#12

Right on :slight_smile: I like it better to just get all the downloading out of the way then install. It gives me a better idea of how long it is going to take or how much longer till it’s done. Also, sometimes I like to stop all other downloads so I can just get all the updates installed then start up the other downloads again. With the one at a time thing I would have to wait for the whole process to complete.

#13

If it was me who wrote these things, you’d directly ban me… oh the bias and irony :stuck_out_tongue:

#14

Hi,

for a gui alternative to zypper for updates try yast online updates (‘you’ from the command line), I’m sure it’ll give you similar information on what’s being done.

Regards,
Barry.