web v nntp making me crazy

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smilies and i suppose some/all of the web side’s text decorations (bold,
underline, etc) come across in nntp in their non-graphical form…

i wanted to post to the “NNTP test thread” using the web interface a message to
learn how the items would look, comparing the message in nntp vs on the web…

here is what i did, and why i am now crazy:

  • used the search function seeking “nntp test”

  • which found a thread in General Chit-Chat beginning with the subject of “How
    could this be used?” 10-Jun-2008…that thread mysteriously gets a new subject
    “Test” on 10 July, and another “NNTP test thread” 18-Jun-2008…

ok, so i have found the correct test thread to post to…and go down and click
on the bottom post “69_rs_ss Re: testing… 23-Jun-2008, 09:17 PM” and make a
quick (and very short) reply…i then click to see my post DenverD Re: “How
could this be used? Today, 08:36 AM” and instead of showing it to me it shows me
the root post from 10-Jun-2008 Why??

fact is, it seems the web interface has EATEN my post…it is listed in the
thread’s tree view, but can’t be seen WHY??

ok, so i figure maybe i should pick one of the newer posts to reply to, and pick
“vendion Re: NNTP test thread 06-Aug-2008, 03:59 PM” and it TOO takes me back
to the root “How could this be used?” 10-Jun-2008…

WHAT am i doing wrong…there appears to be a LONG thread but none of the
postings can be viewed…and, when i try to post to the root the interface
accepts it, and lists it…but won’t let me see it…???

oh on!! now i just went to the nntp side and see that in fact, my posting
shows there, and can be read…perhaps firefox is teasing me? i mean, i see
“DenverD Re: How could this be used? Today, 08:36 AM” in the web interface’s
tree view…and, the subject appears to be a link, and in fact is a link to
http://forums.opensuse.org/general-chit-chat/386241-nntp-test-thread-post1857481.html#post1857481
which, if i shove THAT link into Konqueror i can see my post…BUT, if i click
on the subject line itself in FF it goes to that URL but STILL i only see the
root post…not my own??

is this a firefox fault or a web forum interface fault?

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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315) via NNTP crafted by Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 in KDE
3.5.7 under SUSE Linux 10.3 2.6.22.18-0.2-default #1 SMP i686 athlon

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DenverD wrote:
> is this a firefox fault or a web forum interface fault?

apparently it is not just a firefox fault, because clicking on the tree view’s
link to “DenverD Re: How could this be used? Today, 08:36 AM” again shows only
the threads originating message (Guest How could this be used? 10-Jun-2008,
11:24 AM)

crazy2

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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315) via NNTP crafted by Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 in KDE
3.5.7 under SUSE Linux 10.3 2.6.22.18-0.2-default #1 SMP i686 athlon

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DenverD wrote:
> DenverD wrote:
>> is this a firefox fault or a web forum interface fault?
>
> apparently it is not just a firefox fault, because clicking on the tree view’s
> link to “DenverD Re: How could this be used? Today, 08:36 AM” again shows only
> the threads originating message (Guest How could this be used? 10-Jun-2008,
> 11:24 AM)
>
> crazy2
>
In the web interface, what setting are you using for displaying threads?
Check under User Control Panel > Edit Options > Thread Display Options
and see if it is set to Linear, Threaded or Hybrid.

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> In the web interface, what setting are you using for displaying threads?
> Check under User Control Panel > Edit Options > Thread Display Options
> and see if it is set to Linear, Threaded or Hybrid.

it is set to “Threaded”, and other display options are
“Show 5 of posts per page”, “Show thread from last week”, “Show
Signatures”, “Show Avatars” and “Show Images”…

as far as i know those are the defaults…and, the forum skin is
openSUSE Default…

thank you for trying to help…

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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315) via NNTP crafted by Thunderbird
2.0.0.14 in KDE 3.5.7 under SUSE Linux 10.3 2.6.22.18-0.2-default #1
SMP i686 athlon

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DenverD wrote:
>> In the web interface, what setting are you using for displaying threads?
>> Check under User Control Panel > Edit Options > Thread Display Options
>> and see if it is set to Linear, Threaded or Hybrid.
>
> it is set to “Threaded”, and other display options are
> “Show 5 of posts per page”, “Show thread from last week”, “Show
> Signatures”, “Show Avatars” and “Show Images”…
>
> as far as i know those are the defaults…and, the forum skin is
> openSUSE Default…
>
> thank you for trying to help…
>
I actually forget which is set to default. I have noticed though that
for some reason on the larger threads, if you are using the threaded
mode it for some reason pulls the original post when you are trying to
reply to a child post in the thread. I’m going to try and play a little
in the web side and talk to some of the other staff and see if anyone
has figured out why that happens. I’ll let you know what I find out.

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> I’ll let you know what I find out.

thanks, because from here it seems impossible…

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DenverD (Linux Counter 282315) via NNTP, Thunderbird 2.0.0.14, KDE
3.5.7, SUSE Linux 10.3, 2.6.22.18-0.2-default #1 SMP i686 athlon

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smilies and i suppose some/all of the web side’s text decorations (bold,
underline, etc) come across in nntp in their non-graphical form…

That depends on your NNTP reader and how it interprets the characters. If
your reader doesn’t recognize smilies and replace them with a graphic, you
will see the text. Readers like Knode have the ability to recognize the
emoticons and show graphics. Either way, it’s not a big deal as graphic or
text, it’s recognizable as the same thing.

fact is, it seems the web interface has EATEN my post…it is listed in the
thread’s tree view, but can’t be seen WHY??

That’s a bug in vBSEO that hasn’t been addressed by the developers yet.
Linear is the default display mode for these forums and all messages show
in linear mode. When you view in threaded or hybrid mode, sometimes
messages in deep threads don’t show. To get around this, change your
viewign mode. Doesn’t matter from what to what, just change it. Once you
do that you should be able to access all the messages. Like I said, it’s a
bug that’s hopefully being addressed. In the meantime, I would suggest
sticking with the default viewing mode of linear. If you really want
threaded mode, just be aware of that gotcha on deep threads and what you
need to do to get around it.

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We got an update an it appears this issue is fixed. At least in my quick tests I did. If anyone runs into this problem again, let me know. Thanks.