I appreciate the fact that you had no way to know my level of knowledge. But honestly, I really thought it was kind of obvious when, for example, in my first reply (to Havoc65) I asked: What is “composite,” and where is it set on/off in KMplayer?
Didn’t that indicate that I was a bit of an unsophisticated user?
I received no answer to the “composite” question.
And in my first reply to you, oldCPU, I asked: How do I determine which codec is “inside the wrapper?” Where specifically can I look to find this information for you?
Didn’t that indicate I’m probably a good candidate for “Linux for Dummies?”
I referred, for example, to an “output video module”. Some users call that the “output video mode”. … No matter what you call it, most applications have it. For example, vlc, … just go to vlc > tools > preferences > video > display > output and there you can select default, or x11, or xv (xvideo) … etc … IF that is different between PCs, it can cause different behaviour. And if the PC hardware is different, sometimes those settings have to be different to get the same approximate behaviour. This is true for every player. You NEED to look for this. That really should NOT be over your head.
No, that is not over my head, and I had looked at both pooters. As best I could tell the only difference was that the desktop files ended with x86_64 while the lappy files ended with i586. So yes, different hardware, but the versions seemed to be the same otherwise.
Now, of course I did not check file by file through the thousands on each box, and so it certainly is possible that I missed something and the the two pooters were not congruent. In fact, that is what turns out. More below.
What else do you think is difficult? For example, configurations. Practically every multimedia application has an menu item for “settings” or “preferences” . A wrong setting there can make different behaviour between PCs. You NEED to look. That should not be over your head.
And I did. For example, I verified that the KMplayer video output for both was X11shm.
Reference application versions. WHAT have you done to confirm what you believe (ie same versions) are indeed the same? Did you open your Software Package Manager and compare their versions one by one? You DO need to look. I assume that is not over your head.
Ah! Now we get down to the solution.
On both machines I refreshed the repositories, then asked the package manager to update anything on the list that had an available newer version. Both machines updated – apparently more files going onto the lappy than the desktop.
What do you know? Much to my chagrin I apparently did not have identical versions of a key file or files (I do not know what) on the two boxes. My lappy now does play the perplexing Kino-generated .avi files!
For example, when I am comparing multimedia versions, I often do something like:
rpm -qa | grep layer
rpm -qa | grep ffmpeg
rpm -qa | grep xine
rpm -qa | grep vlc
rpm -qa | grep xvid … plus other rpm commands. I compare the output between each PC.
I guess the net effect of what I did with the package manager is essentially similar to grepping!
Reference determining what codec is in use in an avi file there are many ways to do this, and everyone has their own favourite way. Some users use the application avidemux to open the file and see what it has to say about the input codec. I use the application “idvid” that comes with “tovid” to get a quick indication of the codec. But there are many ways to do this. Are you saying the ability to do that is over your head ?
Yeah, I think this part really may be over my head. As I am not familiar with codecs or what exactly to look for I could easily have looked right past the problem or the solution here. :\
The guidance you need to sort this question IS in this thread, …but we can’t do this for you. You have to do it. If you can’t figure out with the guidance given, then fair enough. But rather than accuse people of being condensending (which is insulting when someone takes a LOT OF TIME to type a reply … it makes users want to just walk away from the thread and NOT try to help … ) … how about simply stating SPECIFICALLY what you don’t understand ?
Again, I thought I was being specific, but obviously not with what you needed.
I do appreciate the time you have taken to reply several times. The fact that you posted this time after taking umbrage to my previous post shows that you are interested in helping those who are stumbling. I’d only ask that you please remember that there are some on this list who will never write programs, who will never compile the Kernel, who will never work with source code, and who are not into Linux as an intellectual endeavor. Rather, we’re the “Linux for Dummies” crowd, and we’re users because Linux gives us many choices to play videos and music, to access the Internet, and to run our businesses.
If I might be so presumptuous, a really great answer at the start from you or anyone else might have been something phrased generally along these lines: “When confronting a multimedia situation that seems to make no sense I’ve found it useful to go back to the basics. First, update the repositories and then update any file that has a newer version. Do that on both machines to be certain that you have the latest. Then try the video on the laptop. If it still won’t play then you need to start searching for differences – programs that are on the desktop but not on the laptop.”
One recommendation, … and maybe you are doing this already … I used to really like kmplayer many years ago. But not so long ago, a player known as smplayer came out, which IMHO is SIGNIFICANTLY superior to kmplayer. It uses the same backend mplayer, but its GUI is more intuitive, it has more features, and it is FAR EASIER to configure. I recommend you use that instead of kmplayer.
And I have taken your suggestion and put SMplayer on both pooters. The first thing I notice is that SMplayer will play the subtitles that I could never see in KMplayer! rotfl!
Maybe I was just missing something in KMplayer, but this improvement alone makes the switch to SMplayer a good move.
Thanks for this suggestion, and thanks for pointing me in the right direction to the solution.