So I’m running Suse 10.3, for which support has been discontinued. Alas, whenever I try to start an installation DVD for any later version of Suse (and I’ve verified the MD5 sums), or even a Live version of Suse (or Ubuntu or anything else), I’ll get the splash screen, and then the monitor goes dark, save for INPUT SIGNAL OUT OF RANGE.
I think it’s because my ATI video card isn’t handling the graphics. Or maybe it can’t provide the graphics so that my monitor (HANNS.G HW 191) can handle them.
Either way, I’m stuck with a version of Suse that I can’t upgrade.
Can anyone tell me what video card I might replace mine with that would work smoothly with the newer versions of Suse so I can catch up to the trailing edge of Suse software?
The practical theory posts don’t really tell me what I want to know, which is:
If I install a new video card, how difficult will it be to get it to work with my existing 10.3 set-up, and will it work with the newer versions so I can update my OS?
After the horrible time I had fixing a video screw-up (which admittedly was my own **** fault) as dealt with in this thread, I’m very leery of doing anything that might have a similar result.
My wife’s PC has an ATI RV280 running openSUSE-11.2 and it works ok. I don’t understand why it does not work for you.
I installed openSUSE-10.3, 11.0, 11.1, and finally 11.2 with no problems on her PC with an RV280. Not once did it boot to the black screen you described.
Typically openSUSE would automatically be installed with the Radeon driver on her PC with the ATI RV280.
… did you try booting to a text mode (run level 3) and then use sax2 to set up the radeon driver ? The practical theory guide which you “dismiss” as not helpful, does provide guidance on how to do that.*
This is also not what you asked, but this thread I am quoting next shows what a user like myself will do sometimes, when struggling with a similar sort of problem such as you encountered (in my case on an Intel 82845 graphics which is known to be ugly for all Linux distributions): Looking for alternatives to sax2 for Intel graphics ? - openSUSE Forums
… however, having typed that, your RV280 should work !
Oh no, not this again… caf, I’m starting to think that you’re paid by nVidia for your hate campaign against Ati cards :silly:
Ati cards (at least 2000+) are generally working fine with the driver from the repositories. You only might have trouble if you try to install the driver yourself.
If you want a new card, it depends what you want to spend and what you want to do with it.
Don’t get a nVidia card unless you want to support a company that is cheating, backstabbing and trying to edge out the competition with dirty tricks all the time :sick:
Besides that, you would get a clearly overpriced card with outdated technology from an extremely incompetent company. nVidia was too incompetent to put DX 10.1 on their cards, and they’re too incompetent to get their Fermi finished, which has been announced since before last September but of which not even a single working prototype does exist yet.
lol rotfl! rotfl!
Looks like an entertaining thread !!
Ask me about the Intel 82845 video device if you want to get me going… :’(
There is something to be said for and against all video cards and their suppliers, and I can’t say too much at the risk of me the pot calling the kettle black, … but putting on my moderator hat for a minute: lets not get carried away and try to be polite in our assessments of various video cards and their manufacturers.
As an openBSD long time user, I can only agree with that. Although, over the years, I might have found an answer to the question: what shall I buy, ATI or Nvidia ? Frankly, they both S U C K, you can’t win. The only time I fried a monitor in my life, it was with an ATI card which was lying about its real Chipset. Year after year, under any Linux distro, under any Unix variant, update after update, whether you like proprietary drivers or whether you keep your kernel safe from closed source strangers, either for philosophical or security reasons, we are still having the same problems and the same discussions about the same two gangsters companies, as if the world hadn’t changed in 15 years. You can’t win. >:(
It’s not that the guide isn’t helpful, but that it didn’t answer the question I had. But I’m not sure it’s the right question anyhow.
I don’t really know what the issue is with my system, so I have no idea what I need to do. All I know for sure is that I’m using an ATI RV280 5961 video card and an HSD HANNS.G HW 191 flatscreen monitor.
Aside from screwing up the video settings (purely my own fault) a while back, which you folks helped me fix, I’ve had no problems with the set-up. EXCEPT THAT anytime I try to start an upgrade DVD (11.0 or 11.1 are what I have) or even try to run a Live DVD of Suse (or Ubuntu), I get a splash screen, then the monitor goes dark and I get INPUT SIGNAL OUT OF RANGE.
My only recourse at that point is to restart my computer. I’ve been thinking it was because my video card can’t handle the graphics. If that’s not the case, and it’s only a matter of the right drivers or something, where and how do I find them? The theory guide may say, but I’m leery of messing with the video settings after trashing them last time I tried.
If I can keep the current video card and still upgrade my OS to something more current, I’d be very happy.*
I tried to provide that best I could in the guide, but maybe the way things are done in Linux are too different from what ever your computer background is wrt drivers ?? …
For ATI:
xorg-x11-driver-video
rpm provides the fbdev, vesa, ati and radeon drivers. That rpm comes with openSUSE (dvd and liveCD) and is kept in the OSS repository - xorg-x11-driver-video-radeonhd
rpm provides the radeonhd driver. That rpm comes with openSUSE (dvd and liveCD) and is kept in the OSS repository. - the ATI repository (and also the ATI web site) provided the proprietary fglrx
graphic driver. that information is all in the guide, albeit the format in how I stated it is different. PLEASE, what in that do you not understand? How can I explain it better?
Reference your testing with liveCDs, did you try pressing F3 at the first green boot menu and select text mode, then boot to run level 3, login as user “linux”, use <enter> for password, then type “su” to get root permissions and press <enter> for password, and then try running sax2 per the guide, checking each of the various drivers? (ie fbdev, vesa, ati, radeon) ?? once a driver is configured with sax2, type “exit” to get rid of root permissions, and then type “startx” to start X windows.
I think most of that last part is also all explained in the theory guide? … What can I do to explain it better?
I’ll give it a try sometime and see if that works. Doing that shouldn’t cause any issues with the current set-up, right? Worst case, I reboot the computer and remove the LiveCD?
Reboot your computer in runlevel 3 (non graphic mode)
Depending on your ATI model, install either x11-video-fglrxG02 or x11-video-fglrxG01 - I’m sure someone here will tell you which one you need - from the command line : zypper in x11-video-fglrxG02 (or x11-video-fglrxG01)
Reboot your computer in runlevel 5 (normal graphic mode)
You could do a text based install, then boot into runlevel 3 and see if you get one of the possible drivers working. I too suggest NVIDIA. If you have kernel-sources etc. installed you can still install their driver on 10.3.
A Ubuntu 6.10 DVD (it’s from 2007) failed to boot. That is, it went to “Boot from CD” and then eventually gave me a “boot failed, press a key to continue” message. Might be because the DVD is bunged up. Might not.
A Fedora Core 6 LiveCD (also from 2007) did, in fact, boot and I could use it.
When I start an OpenSuse 11.0 DVD, the system boots, I get the welcome screen, then the boot options screen, then it starts to load the linux kernel…and the screen goes black and I get INPUT SIGNAL OUT OF RANGE. All I can do at that point is restart the PC and remove the DVD so it boots normally.
Would this
Reference your testing with liveCDs, did you try pressing F3 at the first green boot menu and select text mode, then boot to run level 3, login as user “linux”, use <enter> for password, then type “su” to get root permissions and press <enter> for password, and then try running sax2 per the guide, checking each of the various drivers? (ie fbdev, vesa, ati, radeon) ?? once a driver is configured with sax2, type “exit” to get rid of root permissions, and then type “startx” to start X windows.
get me past that issue? Without risk of screwing up my video settings?
Would this
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Reference your testing with liveCDs, did you try pressing F3 at the first green boot menu and select text mode, then boot to run level 3, login as user “linux”, use <enter> for password, then type “su” to get root permissions and press <enter> for password, and then try running sax2 per the guide, checking each of the various drivers? (ie fbdev, vesa, ati, radeon) ?? once a driver is configured with sax2, type “exit” to get rid of root permissions, and then type “startx” to start X windows.
get me past that issue? Without risk of screwing up my video settings?
It certainly could do.
I found a thread describing this
Ok it boots into a version of Fedora.
I would be interested in knowing What driver is used for the video card,what is your monitor recognized as,which xserver and version are being used in fedora.
How do these compare to your currently running openSUSE system?
In the case of xserver how do they compare to the other versions of linux you are atempting to install?
