We are experiencing technical issues and users on the web side cannot login.
nntp is functioning normally
We hope to resume normal web side service ASAP
Some further symptoms of the problem - users who had not logged OUT on the ‘web’ side, may still have access on the ‘web’ side. But once one logs out on the ‘web’ side, one can not log back in on the ‘web’ side and hence for the moment after a log out, future access is using the ‘web’ interface is lost because of a ‘db’ error.
As caf4926 noted, this is being looked into.
Carl Fletcher wrote:
> We are experiencing technical issues and users on the web side cannot
> login. nntp is functioning normally
>
> We hope to resume normal web side service ASAP
Thanks for letting us know hope the web login comes back up soon. Thankfully
NNTP is still working so I will just use that until the web login is working
again
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Thanks, Andrew
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oldcpu wrote:
> As caf4926 noted, this is being looked into.
hmmmm…since Monday, 17 Jan is a national holiday in the USA (where
i suspect the broken db lives) it could take many hours for that
“being looked into” to result in a yipee!!
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DenverD
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What if there were no hypothetical questions?
On 17/01/11 08:34, DenverD wrote:
> oldcpu wrote:
>> As caf4926 noted, this is being looked into.
>
> hmmmm…since Monday, 17 Jan is a national holiday in the USA (where
> i suspect the broken db lives) it could take many hours for that
> “being looked into” to result in a yipee!!
>
Be joyful you have nntp
And feel sorry for users who don’t know or understand nntp
The forums are really quiet at the moment. I feel sorry for those users who
don’t know or understand nntp. Hope the web login comes back on soon.
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Thanks, Andrew
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ah7013 wrote:
> The forums are really quiet at the moment. I feel sorry for those users who
> don’t know or understand nntp. Hope the web login comes back on soon.
i guess it will be back sometime after 9 AM in Utah…tuesday…
should we start a pool and see who is closest?
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DenverD
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What if there were no hypothetical questions?
Carl Fletcher wrote:
> Be joyful you have nntp
> And feel sorry for users who don’t know or understand nntp
yep…i fell sorry for them because it is not their fault they don’t
know that nntp is as easy as email…
pre-web forum days SuSE/SUSE had a viable support system that was
almost always available…i don’t know who had the idea to mash it
together with the web-forum, but here are now dependent on an apparent
unending upgrade the vBulletin so it looks inviting and exciting to
the Ship Jumpers…
the real problem today is that about 95% (or more) of the folks who
need help here are the same ones that don’t understand nntp and
badly need the help available here to get new (& intermediates) on the
road again…
i’m sorry they are broke and their only available life-line is out of
the water…
sigh, lots of them in their frustration and panic will go the Ubuntu
forums (or other forums google finds) and get their sage advice to log
in (to the GUI) as root and do a “ch??? 666 /*”
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DenverD
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DenverD wrote:
>
> should we start a pool and see who is closest?
>
Did you mean a poll to guess who is closest to the time when the web
login starts working again? If it is then my guess Tuesday at around 4 PM
NZDT 
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Thanks, Andrew
Posted from openSUSE 11.3 “Teal”, KDE 4.6 RC2
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:34:27 +0000, DenverD wrote:
> hmmmm…since Monday, 17 Jan is a national holiday in the USA (where i
> suspect the broken db lives) it could take many hours for that “being
> looked into” to result in a yipee!!
I spoke to the Novell help desk and they said that it is actively being
worked on.
We appreciate your patience and understanding. Apparently it’s not an
easy problem, because if it was, it’d be fixed by now. Just because
you’re not seeing it fixed immediately (again) does not mean nobody’s
doing anything to rectify the situation.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
DenverD wrote:
> Carl Fletcher wrote:
>> Be joyful you have nntp
>> And feel sorry for users who don’t know or understand nntp
>
> yep…i fell sorry for them because it is not their fault they don’t
> know that nntp is as easy as email…
>
> pre-web forum days SuSE/SUSE had a viable support system that was
> almost always available…i don’t know who had the idea to mash it
> together with the web-forum, but here are now dependent on an apparent
> unending upgrade the vBulletin so it looks inviting and exciting to
> the Ship Jumpers…
>
> the real problem today is that about 95% (or more) of the folks who
> need help here are the same ones that don’t understand nntp and
> badly need the help available here to get new (& intermediates) on the
> road again…
>
> i’m sorry they are broke and their only available life-line is out of
> the water…
>
> sigh, lots of them in their frustration and panic will go the Ubuntu
> forums (or other forums google finds) and get their sage advice to log
> in (to the GUI) as root and do a “ch??? 666 /*”
>
Haha I just managed to set up nntp to access the forums. Very easy once you
know what server to use. I couldn’t find the server address on google
because all the google links pointed to the suse forum and that just gave me
a error message on every page so I just guessed the server address
(forum.opensuse.org) and voila! I have access.
Any news on what the actual problem is? Must be serious if it’s taking this
long to fix.
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suse_tpx60s wrote:
> Haha I just managed to set up nntp to access the forums.
congrats, welcome to…
> Very easy once you
> know what server to use. I couldn’t find the server address on google
i know that knowing where to look is an acquired thing, but if you had
thought of the forums FAQ you would have pretty quickly found:
http://forums.opensuse.org/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_nntp
> Any news on what the actual problem is? Must be serious if it’s taking this
> long to fix.
this is the latest i’ve seen (about 11 hours old now):
“it is actively being worked on…it’s not an easy problem, because if
it was, it’d be fixed by now”
i can only guess that the level of activity will rise in direct
proportion to the number of donuts brought to the server
keepers/admins after the three day weekend…
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DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]
What if there were no hypothetical questions?
That’s where I started from yesterday, and set up nntp for the very first time. The experiment was interesting, so far. The default downloaded 500 headers per subscription where I chose to use it, so here is a newbie question. I used SeaMonkey’s mail/news reader (worked fine and fast), but couldn’t see how to selectively remove downloaded headers without unsubscribing to the group. I couldn’t find a delete or remove function in any menu or context menu. How to do that? Also, is there a “better” way to use it without port 119?
Yes I had this problem I could not login to my account. I heared something about repair of servers. Now it is working!!!
It wrote me
DATABASE ERROR something like that.
Great to hear it is working again.
consused wrote:
> but couldn’t see how to selectively remove downloaded headers
> without unsubscribing to the group.
why remove them? they take SO little space (they are simple text), and
you might want to go back and look at a thread in the future
i refer to old threads often–if SeaMonkey is like Thunderbird (and i
think it is) you can search for words in the title, posts by yourself,
posts by named others, words in the post and etc and you can be sure
that the local search is light years faster than vBulletin provides to
non-logged in users…
while in a forum, try View > Sort By and select “Order Received” and
“Threaded” and either “Assending” or “Desending” (depending on whether
you want the newest posts at the top or bottom of the list)…doing
that it is a piece of cake to hone in on the threads with a new post
(since your last visit)…well, when finished reading all the posts
you want to read in a given forum then right-click on that forum name
in the left column and select “Mark Newsgroup Read”…
and, all those headers you now want to delete stay, but all the new
ones (next time you download) will be bold and grouped together at the
top (or bottom)…SLICK
> Also, is there a “better” way to use it without port 119?
sorry, i don’t understand that question…
port 119 is the standard server port for nntp in and out…i don’t
think there is a choice…that is, if you want to connect to Novell’s
server to read/post here you will contact their server on port 119
or you will NOT get in…
it has nothing to do with your port 119, should be (imHo) stealth
unless you are also running nntpd…
did that answer your question (that i didn’t understand?)
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DenverD
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Mainly to reduce recall time and obsolescence. Even with the faster local search facilities, a list can result, and the shorter - the better.
if SeaMonkey is like Thunderbird …
…while in a forum, try View > Sort By and select “Order Received” and
“Threaded” and either “Assending” or “Desending” (depending on whether
you want the newest posts at the top or bottom of the list)… right-click on that … select “Mark Newsgroup Read”… all the new ones (next time you download) will be bold and grouped together at the top (or bottom)…SLICK
Indeed, I played with all that View changing in SeaMonkey yesterday (also use Thunderbird for mail), both are quick, and the new stuff shows up well. It’s just that the longer the lists grow, more scrolling is inevitable.
I guess I am just used to being able to prune subscribed thread content in the web interface and Akregator (for RSS feeds).
> Also, is there a “better” way to use it without port 119?
sorry, i don’t understand that question…
port 119 is the standard server port for nntp in and out…i don’t
think there is a choice… … it has nothing to do with your port 119, should be (imHo) stealth unless you are also running nntpd…did that answer your question (that i didn’t understand?)
Nevertheless, a good enough answer, thanks. I misread a bit of the FAQ. 
consused wrote:
> DenverD;2279225 Wrote:
>> consused wrote:
>>> but couldn’t see how to selectively remove downloaded headers
>>> without unsubscribing to the group.
>> why remove them? they take SO little space (they are simple text), and
>> you might want to go back and look at a thread in the future
> Mainly to reduce recall time and obsolescence. Even with the faster
> local search facilities, a list can result, and the shorter - the
> better.
OH WAIT, i forgot about this setting when i responded earlier:
continuing to assume my Thunderbird is similar to your SeaMonkey:
-
in the left column click on the top level folder for these fora
(mine says Novell, but i think i gave it that name, so i don’t know
what yours might be)… -
when yo do that the message pane switches to a list of possibilities
like “Manage Newsgroup Subscriptions” and under “Accounts” one that
says “View settings for this account”–click on that, then in the
account settings window that pops up, in the left column find “Novell”
(or whatever you called these fora) and click onthe + (if it is there)
to expand the selections, then find and click on “Offline & Disk Space” -
the right side now has a section “Disk Space” i think if you click
to “Always delete read messages” it will do that, but then you might
get a new post in that same thread and not remember what was written,
plus that won’t delete all the headers you didn’t either read or mark
as read…so, maybe “Delete messages more than x days old” (make x
some small number) will dump all headers that many days old…
> Indeed, I played with all that View changing in SeaMonkey yesterday
> (also use Thunderbird for mail), both are quick, and the new stuff shows
> up well. It’s just that the longer the lists grow, more scrolling is
> inevitable.
don’t scroll…instead hit the space bar repeatedly and it will jump
down to the next unread post, show it and each new space bar tap will
scroll inside that message until it is finished…keep tapping the
space bar and it jumps to the next etc etc etc…
one handed reading from the top to the bottom…if i get to a thread
i don’t care about it is just tap tap tap until it jumps to the next
thread…but, if it is a really long verbose thread (especially with
LONG posts) i instead will right click on the thread (in the top right
window) and select “Mark thread as read” and the next space bar tap
zooms to the next unread message…
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DenverD
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p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Yeah, I did find links to that in google but the problem was that I wasn’t able to open any page in the forum.opensuse.org domain. They all gave the a bad page error so I couldn’t see that faq. I have since found that deleting all my cookies for forum.opensuse.org and clearing the cache will allow me to browse the forums but as soon as I try log in the errors start again on all pages and I have to clear everything again.
Thanks for tips. Similar in SeaMonkey re account settings. Comes under Synchronization & Storage, where one can limit download for offline use. To recover disk space and permanently delete old messages, there are three mutually exclusive options: don’t delete any messages; delete all but the most recent x messages; delete messages more than x days old. One of those can be combined with: always keep flagged messages, and/or remove bodies from messages more than x days old.
Those options, the ability to change views independently for threads and messages, coupled with good local search facilities and larger editing panes/windows, can offer a speed advantage over the web interface. However that’s not the whole story, and having both interfaces offers maximum flexibility.